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To: mrjesse
if they can mate they are the same kind,

I never said that! That's absurd! I said "Interbreed." and I meant "Interbreed and conceive" (and have updated my page to say so.)

I hate to have to be the one to break it to you but mating and breeding are the same thing. I know you grew up on a farm, but apparently you didn't pay much attention.

I don't see what's so silly about it and I didn't even say "all one kind" and I have no idea what you mean by "all one species." (I most certainly didn't say that!)

You said (paraphrasing) critters which look the same are the same kind. How does your systems differentiate between species and kinds? You seem to have created some kind of weird filing system that you alone knows how it works.

No, my argument is that "Some things in life do not appear to me to make sense if ASBE (all species by evolution) is true." You then counter "Well God wouldn't have done them that way either," to which I reply "You don't know that - God well may have done them that way."

You don't know what a species is. Until you figure that out it is pointless trying to point out your errors.

Oh that's funny! first you say that I'm a "reprobate and a serial liar" and now you imply that you lost some respect for me?! Just how much respect do you have for people you think are reprobate and serial liars anyway?

Oh I know quite a few serial reprobates that I have a lot of respect for. I have a lot of respect for poisonous snakes too. You, I now view like a turd under a rock, it is best to not move the rock too soon.

Why would I deny my belief in God just because you answer whether Pluto is 102 degrees ahead of where it appears at a given instant to an observer on the earth?

You called me a liar when I claimed to have answered the question. If you are wrong on that then certainly you can be wrong on your belief in God. I am just equating the two.

anyway you already have my word that it is my goal to be honest and fair and admit it and apologize when I realize I'm wrong.

You already broke that word a long time ago. You are a reprobate and reprobates have no honor.

76 posted on 08/15/2008 4:59:37 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
Said LeGrande: if they can mate they are the same kind,
Said mrjesse: I never said that! That's absurd! I said "Interbreed." and I meant "Interbreed and conceive" (and have updated my page to say so.)”

I hate to have to be the one to break it to you but mating and breeding are the same thing. I know you grew up on a farm, but apparently you didn't pay much attention.

I paid better attention then you think. I happen to know the difference between mating and breeding. There were times when we took the cow across the street to mate with the bull. They mated alright to be sure, but a few weeks later, that cow was back in heat (in case you don't know, that means she wants to go to the bull again and ought to conceive. Cows aren't like people - cows only mate when the cow is "in heat" which means she's at the right time to conceive.) So anyway, sometimes the cow and the bull would happily mate, but then the cow came back in heat - and then the farmer says "She's still not bread."

That's why we say "You can't breed a horse with a panda" You well may be able to get them to mate -- but they ain't gonna breed and they ain't gonna produce cuddly little horses or anything else, either.

Please check out the dictionary to learn a little about the word breed. Then check out the word mate and you will see that they are two different words with almost entirely different meanings, and only a small area of overlap, and that I'm not making any of this up! "Mate" really has no implication as to whether offspring is produced. "Breed," on the other hand, has a heavy implication of producing offspring or bringing about something. Just think of of common uses - know of someone who breeds fancy dogs? that means they get more and more little dogs! Ever heard the phrase "Breeds contempt?" You will find that "breed" almost always comes just before something that is produced. "Mate," on the other hand, has no such implication beyond a hint. When was the last time a miniature horse breeder told you "Oh, I mate miniature horses?" While one could loosely use the word "breed" to mean "mate," the common meanings are just not the same and "breed" does strongly imply the causing of something. But in any case, for those not familiar with the English language (and I'm not even good at it, so to know less then me is even sadder!) anyway for those not familiar, I have specified "Breed (and conceive.)" which should remove all doubt!

So you are just wrong when you say "mating and breeding are the same thing."

You said (paraphrasing) critters which look the same are the same kind. How does your systems differentiate between species and kinds? You seem to have created some kind of weird filing system that you alone knows how it works. Heh, there are cases where you say that two species are related even though they cannot interbreed (and produce offspring) - for example a ring species. Maybe "look the same" isn't the most elaborate way to describe it, so feel free to suggest a better way - but until then the way I have it works just fine. The fact is that if you see two critters, regardless of whether they can breed and conceive, if they look pretty much identical in shape and form, and you will quite likely conclude that they are related.

You don't know what a species is. Until you figure that out it is pointless trying to point out your errors.

I think I do know what a species is. I just demonstrated that you hadn't previously known what the word "breed" meant and I educated you on what it does mean (or rather dictionary.com educated you) so why not be a grown up and show me how I'm wrong and that I indeed don't know what a species is! Ill behaved children are those who call names and say mean things but have no idea how to fix them - I really would hope that you could be grown up enough to know that if you're going to accuse someone of something, demonstrate that your accusation is true, and if you inform them that they are wrong, show them how they are wrong and what right is. I hate to use an over-used phrase, but you really are not behaving very grown up. This very post to which I'm replying is full of examples of you calling me names and hurling unsubstantiated accusations.

You called me a liar when I claimed to have answered the question. If you are wrong on that then certainly you can be wrong on your belief in God. I am just equating the two.

You still haven't pointed out where you answered my question. Why not? Why not show me that you did answer it? Maybe I just missed it. But I think you answered a question I didn't ask.

You already broke that word a long time ago. You are a reprobate and reprobates have no honor.

You still haven't provided a single - not even one - reference as to when I've lied, or even when I argued an incorrect point! You've accused me many times of lying without once explaining what I said and why it was a lie! Do you really think that by saying it over and over it'll become true? or that I'll believe it? or that anyone else will believe it? The only thing I can think of is that you are trying to convince yourself.

By the way, was my list of pings helpful?

Anyway, most people know that you just repeatedly calling me names and accusing me of lying without ever substantiating it - most people know that means you know you're wrong and refusing to admit it. Do you treat people in real life this way? Is that why you waste time on FR talking to people like me -- because all your real friends can't stand your constant unsubstantiated accusations?

Remember, the question I'm asking about pluto is this:

When the earth rotates about 102 degrees in the time it takes the light to reach it from Pluto, for an observer on the earth at a fixed point at a instant in time, will the gravitational and optical positions of Pluto be angularly displaced from eachother by about 102 degrees or not?

Is that the question you answered? Did you answer with a yes or no? I'll go back and look again if you will tell me whether that was the question you answered.

Thanks,

-Jesse

77 posted on 08/16/2008 2:04:10 AM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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