[LeGrande]

Sorry, but horizontal natural selection does not falsify creation/ID, nor does horizontal natural selection provide positive evidence for evolution.

It does unless you can show a production of a clone.

Creationism and ID is clear that there can be no change, like begats like, exactly. So unless you can show clones then creationism and ID has been falsified.

[mrjesse]

Creationism and ID is clear that there can be no change, like begats like, exactly. So unless you can show clones then creationism and ID has been falsified.

Neither Creationism nor ID make any such claim. To do so would be absurd since we all know that an offspring will not be perfectly identical to either of its parents. Genesis 1 says that kind begats kind. Now maybe when your dog has puppies by the normal method and the puppies will be different colors and so on or even different shapes and sizes - they are still the same kind of animal - dogs!

So your statement is a strawman, right? Or do you really believe that Creationism and ID claim that all reproduction reproduces exact genetic copies?

Remember, there are two kinds of evolution -- that kind which I have seen

-Jesse