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To: MindBender26

The only one that jerking off is Obama. This whole thing can be easily debunked with a real birth certificate. But he refuses to let anyone see it. Why? Whats to hide if the copy is exactly like the original? You can blast it all you want, but until he releases his original copy, this will dog him!


31 posted on 07/23/2008 2:18:58 PM PDT by Bommer (A Third Party can win when Republicans and Democraps stand for the same thing!)
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To: Bommer
Don't you see what is happening. While everyone is pissing upwind over this phony issue, they are not concentrating on the real issues of the campaign.

It's like when CBS called the WH to ask for a comment on the now-infamous Rathergate allegation before they aired. Rove issued a mild general denial, then waited for CBS to pee all over self, then landed on Rather hard.

In case you missed it, a newspaper announcement of the birth has now been found.

32 posted on 07/23/2008 2:26:39 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: Bommer
Yeah, there WAS another Hussein who would still be alive and running Iraq if he would have just let the UN inspection teams really verify he had no WMD and no ongoing WMD programs. He didn't and we all know the events that followed (including the fact that the WMD evidence that was found was not quite what had been expected).

Even if he was born in Kenya, Senator Obama is, by every definition I can find for it, a "neutralizing" American citizen as long as he had at least one properly qualified American citizen birth parent. No one has suggested that his mother wasn't a US citizen at the time of his birth, so the question is not one of eligibly for the office of President. He is. The question is why the reluctance to provide a certified physical copy of his Hawaii COLB for examination by the press and public?

My personal feeling is that there is a whole mythology that has been built up by Senator Obama over the years about his parentage and background. (After all, he has already been discovered to be exaggerating in other areas of his past.) These myths will unravel if the real facts about his birth and early years become public. If they do become known, he will still remain technically eligible for the office (after all, being a known truth bender/outright liar has never disqualified any other politician for office before) but his credibility will be shredded with the public. So, like the other Hussein, he may have no choice but to evade, dissimulate, ignore, counter, and rebuff to the bitter end because preserving the myth is so central to the appeal/power he has.

The situation will only come to a head if forced by a strategic series of law suits filed in key battle ground states. They would need to allege that Senator Obama is unqualified under Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution for the office of President of the United States because he is NOT a "natural-born" citizen of the United States. To defend successfully, he would not only have to provide his own birth certificate but the birth certificate of his mother as well.

This would be a lawsuit he cannot ignore because losing it would cause his name to be removed from the ballot in each of those states.

Winning the lawsuit (proving he is not a natural-born citizen) would have tremendous consequences no matter when it was decided. If decided before the election, he would be denied the electoral ballots needed to win the election. If afterwards... well, if the Democrats thought 2000 was bad, let them imagine the effect of electing someone subsequently found to be constitutionally unqualified for the office.

In losing the lawsuit (he proves he is a natural-born citizen but perhaps undoes some or all of his mythology), it would be best if that occurred before the election for the effect it would have on his credibility. Now the critical period in losing the case would be from before the Democratic Convention to the election. Ideally, it would be sometime AFTER the convention when it was too late for the other Democratic candidate (Senator Clinton) to mount an effective campaign as a substitute candidate.

If it turned out that he was a natural-born citizen and he was telling the truth about his birth and early past, it would at least raise questions about his character and the advice he was getting on political matters. (Why are you acting like you have something to hide?) And that could raise enough doubt in voters' minds to be the critical difference.

The selection of the courts to file the suits in would have to be done carefully. After the case is decided (win or lose), we don't want the case file and supporting evidence to be sealed by the presiding judge (a la Kennedy and Chappaquiddick).

However, if the COLB issue is really problematic for Senator Obama, I suspect that the real Obama COLB will show up prior to the Democratic Convention and that it will be supplied by the Clinton camp.

39 posted on 07/23/2008 3:46:24 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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