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To: Chief Engineer; Calpernia; Kevmo; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; Polarik; ...
Chief Engineer, I'm in awe that you read through all 6,000 posts on this thread, twice, identifying broken links and pulled articles!

Thank you for your dedication and diligence. Everyone will be interested in your report.

Ping to #6,004.

6,005 posted on 10/19/2008 8:05:14 PM PDT by LucyT (We lived in the best place, in the best of times, in all of human history.)
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I figured that once I finished this thread I would take a few days trying to find out where Obama was on Wednesday, June 6,2007(the date on the C.O.L.B.) I didn’t think I would find out within a matter of minutes!

Obama was on the floor of the Senate giving a speech on Immigration reform which sparked off the verbal battle between him and Graham. Interesting for him to take time to contact the Dept. of Health in HI for a C.O.L.B. during such an intense time! Why then?


6,012 posted on 10/19/2008 8:23:04 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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I am going to post this as responsive on this thread--you can ping it wherever you like.

The Martin case before the Hawaii court is a side threat. But even it is a practical threat Obama needs to address.

The problem with the Berg case is that Berg waited too long to join the real parties (the Secretary of State and the Obama electors); thus the judge can't enter orders until the time to answer has passed. I don't know when that happens--I believe it is likely to be twenty or thirty days after the filing date; and then there will be a hearing.

But what has happened is enough court appearance time with the Judge so that counsel has been made aware that the judge is going to address the issue directly--if Obama has not produced evidence he is eligible, the judge is going to order the Secretary of State to strike him from the ballot and further order the electors not to vote for him.

If I were Obama and thought that would happen the day before the election, I would ignore it on the theory that I was going to win without Pennsylvania. But even a week before the election, it is a problem.

If he is out in Pennsylvania, other states will be forced to look at the legal question. There will be emergency legal proceedings that will get out of control. At best, Obama can't predict what would ultimately happen.

One of the consequences of having permitted the issue to drag out to the end is that there probably isn't time to have an appeal to the Supreme Court, even on an emergency basis. The objective of an appeal would be to kick the case out on procedural grounds (lack of standing; lack of a case or controversy because Obama might lose the election; lack of proper parties etc.) without having to produce evidence he is qualified under Article II, Sec. 1 and without having an order kicking him off the ballot in Pennsylvania.

That's why he is going to Hawaii. And he needs to gear up local counsel to respond to Martin's action before the Hawaii Supreme Court.

I had assumed that on his earlier vacation in Hawaii, he had dealt with the question of what could be done with the Department of Health files--I assume that is how he got the birth certificate number.

Perhaps not. Or perhaps what was learned is that there is something in the Hawaii birth files that proves he was born in Kenya.

Is it possible that he, with the cooperation of the Hawaii Department of Health officials, can make the original vault file disappear? It's probably not in his interest to do that because that is his only evidence he was born somewhere in the US--it's his only answer to the paper record showing he was born in Coast Hospital in Kenya.

There is still another Grandmother in Hawaii issue. She in fact knows where Obama was born. Although it is possible to detect some tension in the relationship, she has obviously committed that she won't blow the whistle. And it is doubtful that she can do anything to support his position that he was born in Hawaii--fake affidavits from 1961 or whatever.

But, she knows. And it has already occurred to counsel that deposing her would furnish significant information. Berg has that in his papers and a Federal District Court has national jurisdiction--so I believe all Berg needs to do is enter an order and take it to Honolulu for enforcement.

6,036 posted on 10/21/2008 8:01:21 AM PDT by David (...)
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