"On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II. Friends did not learn of the wedding until afterward. "Nobody was invited," says Abercrombie. The motivations behind the marriage remain a mystery, even to Obama. "I never probed my mother about the details. Did they decide to get married because she was already pregnant? Or did he propose to her in the traditional, formal way?" Obama wonders. 'I suppose, had she not passed away, I would have asked more.'"
Note that the wedding date is taken from the divorce record; I've read elsewhere (but don't have the specific link) that the marriage certificate can't be found.
About the divorce:
"Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964, citing "grievous mental suffering"—the reason given in most divorces at the time. Obama Sr. signed for the papers in Cambridge, Mass., and did not contest the divorce."
What a great group of people. I know everyone else has a lot to do--I'm in a high-pressure business; if I wasn't having a good time, I would do something else. But I appreciate the help a lot.
I too have read elsewhere that the wedding certificate cannot be found; I haven't read the married in Maui point. I wonder where newspaper Vital Statistics for Maui are to be found.
If you found it in a Vital Statistics column, you would be tempted to believe it even if you didn't find the certificate. I don't know what the law in Hawaii is; in the states in which I am admitted, filing the certificate is mandatory on the person who performs the marriage.
I'm locked into my view that they got married in Kenya--it's a mistake to approach the facts that way because if you keep looking for the real facts the entire story ultimately comes out.
Here, counsel in the divorce proceeding pleaded Maui which is probably what his client told him; failure to find the filing is probably pretty good evidence that it didn't happen there unless you find Vital Statistics showing that it did.
We are still looking in Kenya.
So, the question is just what kind of women did your "typical white person" have in Kenya in 1960/61 when marrying a Luo tribe member?
According to the Chicago Tribune, divorce of Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann occurred in 1964. Where and when—presumably Honolulu but I have not yet found that in the record; nor I have seen the actual date in 1964.
We need to identify the court where the divorce occurred; and get a copy of the complaint. In the normal divorce proceeding, counsel pleads the location of the marriage—likely if he did so here, that sheds some light on the facts; maybe if he does not plead where they were married, that suggests a purpose in not doing so.
Time gives you the "where and when" of the divorce, and the "actual date," and the "location" of the marriage (per the divorce records).
Your response is bizarre: "I wonder where newspaper Vital Statistics for Maui can be found," and then "If you found it in a Vital Statistics column, you would be tempted to believe it even if you didn't find the certificate." Time is not quoting from "newspaper Vital Statistics," but from the divorce record, which they have obviously seen (and yes, I tend to believe even the biased MSM when they give actual, specific dates.) Time makes no claim to finding the "certificate" of marriage -- they are neutral on the matter of a marriage certificate.
You state that you are "locked in your view that they got married in Kenya," and admit that "it's a mistake to approach the facts that way." I agree.
Then you backtrack to "counsel in the divorce proceeding pleaded Maui which is probably what his client told him; failure to find the filing is probably pretty good evidence that it didn't happen there unless you find Vital Statistics showing that it did."
Who is arguing with that? Why does that somehow lend weight to BO being born in Kenya?
"We are still looking in Kenya." Well, good luck with that. And yes, I've seen the video of Stanley Anne's friend in Seattle; yes, I've seen the airline schedules to Seattle and Kenya. What exactly do they prove? I subscribe to the K.I.S.S. theory -- if you believe something is being hidden/obfuscated/forged, then look first at the simplest explanation, not the most spectacularly remote.