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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I have no idea what his problem is, but he does seem to have a problem, and, as is often the case when attempting to conceal something, conjecture and assumptions as the result of concealment, are generally far more ‘interesting’ (and often quite wild)...but who is responsible?

The person concealing, right?

If the document on the obama website WAS legit, it has been invalidated by the blocking out of the certificate number. Why?

It cannot be for the sake of privacy. We know who he is!

Even now, fightthesmears could easily include the actual certificate number. If it were mine, and I had nothing to hide, I would do that immediately.

It appears that the first few numbers relate to a County Code and a Year...the last numbers relate to the individual.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/FredNerks/4hchew.jpg
151 1983 000976

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/FredNerks/HawaiiBirthCertificate.jpg
151 1930 010259

Both are Island of OHAU

The questions raised due to the invalidation of the certificate will not simply fade away. His a lawyer, surrounded by lawyers. They’ll think of something. The next move is theirs. A fly on their wall I would like to be...


2,283 posted on 07/07/2008 11:13:15 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
LOL on the fly on the wall comment.
2,284 posted on 07/07/2008 11:15:26 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Fred Nerks
The video from hollywood 7 is the one I am talking about.

The video from wogsland provides information too.

2,287 posted on 07/07/2008 11:24:12 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Fred Nerks
If he was born before 1961 I think it would be doubtful that Stanley Ann Dunham was his birth mother.

So if he was born before 1961 he could be adopted.

2,291 posted on 07/07/2008 11:29:01 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Fred Nerks

If that certificate is a forgery, they would have to invent a number so it would appear valid. Since the numbers were almost certainly assigned sequentially (e.g. a September birth would have a higher number than an August birth), their phony number would have to fit into that sequence. The forms may have been pre-printed with the serial numbers, and used as needed. At the end of the year, the old forms would have been discarded and a new batch with the new year would have been used.

The form needed to have the embossed seal and signature for validity, the number by itself did not do that.

What is critical about the serial number is that it had to be unique.

By using a the black rectangle (under the meaningless claim of “privacy”), rather than a phony number, they avoid the possibility of someone appearing out of the woodwork clutching a valid certificate with the same number as Obama’s forgery.

That would sink his candidacy faster than the iceberg sank the Titanic.


2,307 posted on 07/08/2008 3:43:53 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Tom Manion '08-My only reason for voting this year)
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To: Fred Nerks

You said: “It appears that the first few numbers relate to a County Code and a Year”

I concur completely on year. Both certificates start with #151, which is consistent with 15=state code for Hawaii used by Census (these are assigned in alphabetical order).

However, currently under the Census FIPS code system, 1=county code for Hawaii, 3=Honolulu. http://www.epa.gov/enviro/html/codes/hi.html

Since both were born in Honolulu County, I would have expected to see 153, not 151. That said, I don’t know when FIPS numbering system began. It could be that in 1961, 1 denoted Honolulu rather than Hawaii County.

I assumed that the string of numbers following birth year simply was the recorded birth order in that year. That’s consistent with Jeremy Smith having a low number 151 1983 000976 for his January birth.

But 151 1930 010259 seems too high for Patricia DeCosta’s May 14 birth. In 2006, Honolulu only had 14,000 births,
http://hawaii.gov/health/statistics/vital-statistics/vr_06/birth.pdf
so somehow I don’t picture this number being >20,000 in 1930. But for those interested in trivia, Don Ho was born in Honolulu the same year as Patricia!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Ho


2,315 posted on 07/08/2008 4:36:03 AM PDT by DrC
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