That is the moral equivalent of accepting a statement asserting how honest he is from Bill Clinton.”
Sure. Bill Clinton says its raining ... I stick my hand outside and check. I dont know this Jay McKinnon guy from a hole in the wall, but this argument is probably the best door-closer on the whole deal: For Obama to have been born outside the USA, he would have needed a passport TO GET HERE. What do you think would they say on the ‘place of birth’ for that passport? And the current passport records on obama, throughout his whole life, would have to be CONSISTENT with it.
Obama’s consistent use of passports would be a proof point for his claimed place of birth.
Opendna: Is Senator Barack H. Obama a natural born US Citizen?
Jay McKinnon: Beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Senator’s travels as a child and young man required a passport. For over a century, US passports have included a field for place of birth. (Fact) To the best of my recollection, every passport I have ever seen (and they are legion) has included a field for place of birth. In order to enter Indonesia in 1967, young Barack Obama would have required a passport. We know from his kindergarten “essay” that young Barack was aware of his US citizenship while living in Indonesia.
In order to return to the United States in 1971 young Barack would have required a passport. At his entry he would have either been a US Citizen or an Alien. If he was an Alien, he had a State Department-issued visa; if he didn’t have a visa, he was American. Again, we know prior to that date that he believed himself to be an American. Since 1971 Senator Obama has traveled many times on US passports and he now – as a US Senator – travels on an Official passport which carries greater diplomatic weight (and requires greater background scrutiny) than what most American travelers use. By virtue of holding an Official US passport, Senator Obama has better proof of his identify, citizenship and place of birth than upwards of 90% of Americans.
In order to believe that Barack Obama was born anywhere but the United States, we must believe that there is [1] a successful conspiracy (including people now dead for decades) – dating back to the 1960s – to hide his place of birth and defraud the State Department with the sole goal that Senator Obama be allowed to run for president in 2008; or [2] an on-going conspiracy within Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s Department to allow a foreign-born person to run for president. I regard both of these options as rather silly.
In March of 2008, the State Department revealed that employees had been caught looking at Senator Obama’s passport records. In order to believe that Senator Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, we must believe that (1) those caught would rather go to jail than blow the whistle on the State Department’s cover-up; and (2) there are federal ethics investigators who have examined Senator Obama’s records and are now party to the conspiracy. I regard both of these options as very silly.
While it is conceivably possible that Barack Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, I regard the odds as so infinitesimally small as to put the fact of his US-birth beyond a reasonable doubt. I regard the hope that credible evidence establishing foreign birth will be discovered on the internet to be profoundly silly.
Yes, if he were born after 9/11.
Back in those benighted times children travelled on their parent's Passports. It's a fact, easily verified by any schmoo with dial-up and a few minutes to fact check.
He had a perfectly valid Passport to get here. His mom's.
Re Post #1524
“Jay McKinnon: Beyond a reasonable doubt....
In order to enter Indonesia in 1967, young Barack Obama would have required a passport. We know from his kindergarten “essay” that young Barack was aware of his US citizenship while living in Indonesia.”
Children in kindergarten do not write essays. Obama did not ever display a knowledge that he was a US citizen at all. Here is what theobamafile.com has to say on this subject with sources there:
The “An American Expat in Southeast Asia” blog reports that Obama’s Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School, in Jakarta, Indonesia, on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B.
He was registered under the name of Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents list Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam.
Born on August 4, 1961, Obama would have been 7 years and 5 months old. That’s late to start school.
Obama may have started Kindergarten in Hawaii but was whisked off to Indonesia as a result of his mother’s second marriage. There are 5 missing years in Anna’s CV between Obama Sr. abandoning the family and her emigration to Indonesia with Lolo.
Obama will complete the first 3 grades at Assisi.
Obama entered the Besuki Primary School, a state school, in 1971. He was enrolled as Barry Soetoro, Muslim. He would attend Besuki for two years.
Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama’s teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. “He wrote an essay titled, ‘I Want To Become President,’” the teacher said.
His third grade teacher, Fermina Katarina Sinaga, now 67, asked her class to write an essay titled “My dream: What I want to be in the future.” Obama wrote “I want to be a President,” she said.
So in 3rd grade, Obama wants to be A president. A president.
Both Indonesia (1945) and Kenya (1963) have forms of government that include an office of President.
I would not put much faith in anything McKinnon writes.