Posted on 11/30/2007 4:33:59 AM PST by davenalle
One leftist poster over on RonPaulForums & several meetup pages justifies his support for Paul by saying that in order to move the agenda he believes in forward, they have to tear down the 'establishment'... conspiracy seems to unite the left to Paul.
I do not want to test that theory.
Wow, just a couple of posts before the CFR bogeyman popped his head out.
Claiming RP is aligned with every organization that finds something in his message to their liking isn't any more valid than holding up Rick Warren, et al as proof that evangelicals are Hillary's core constituency.
That would be ACORN, the group indicted in 11 states for election fraud and so far (I believe) convicted in 4. The group which spearheads Democrat party efforts to register fraudulent voters and buy votes in a number of states.
Dave
Some good points, but I still don’t get how these ‘culturally incompatible’ people are able to overlook Paul’s stand on abortion, prayer in schools and other issues which are absolutely anathema to them.
I just find it hard to understand people acting completely against every one of their other beliefs just because Paul is anti-war. It makes me suspicious of their motivations.
Dave
The way I see it, Paul’s best real shot to guide the country in the right direction is to be picked by one of the more mainstream candidates as a running mate.
His value in that role is going to be seriously impacted by whether his support is seen as real and durable, and right now it doesn’t look like he’d draw any real votes from outside the normal GOP base in a general election.
Dave
That's very true, whether 21st century America or simply the GOP they have a common enemy which needs to be torn down. Nowhere near as effective though.
Keep watching here.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=120
They are able to spin Paul's record to be 'all things to all people'.. Abortion and Border Security are two of the best examples.
Border Security- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=23513
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=23722
Abortion- http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=26683
It is really funny to watch over there when there is a heated discussion on a topic here because sometimes you can see posters rush over there brainstorming how to 'sell it' or spin it.
All true, Tiejras, but aside from the war issue, Paul and Soros disagree on just about everything else.
Is the war in Iraq the ONLY thing which matters to Americans?
I submit that it shouldn’t even be first on their list of concerns. It’s already winding down and the cost will decline as we move to a much smaller long-term presence there.
Economic and social issues are going to be more in the forefrunt in the next administration, and Paul and Moveon.org have ZERO common ground in those areas.
So what are they really up to?
Dave
Not sure if you remember the whole HSW thing from the 2000 and 2004 election, but the left has a stated and practiced strategy of infiltrating the Right and getting us so pissed off at each other over small differences that it causes enough people to sit out that it swings the election.
While Paul has a wonderful collection of soundbites on other issues, most or undoeable and there's no planning to back any of them up. So they can be ignored. Paul has acknowledged this on several occasions.
All of his ideas were rooted in the Constitution, Paul said. But he recognizes that some -- like eliminating the IRS, and returning all funding of education to the states -- are unlikely to be achieved as president. So he said hed focus on the one area a president has more leverage -- foreign policy.Very simply, we can come up with a program of saying mind our own business, bring our troops home, have a strong national defense, he said. At the same time, be stronger and wealthier, save this money, take care of the people that are needy, follow the Constitution, protect personal liberty, have a prosperous economy.
Asked later by a student how he would withdraw troops, Paul said the sooner the better, but that it would likely take three to six months. Just announcing that we were gonna leave, and that we were serious," he said, "I think there would be a de facto peace agreement."
If you want the troops out immediately, from the Persian Gulf, Japan, Korea, Europe as well, he's the man and he'll do it. No other candidate will. Concern about eliminating the IRS or federal aid to education, not a concern at all because he won't do it.
He's a one issue candidate, steeped soundbites to please any group.
Good post, I was trying to find that quote. It pretty much kills the ‘he is right on everything but the war’ issue if that is the only thing he really is running on.
Certainly Paul’s position on abortion and several other issues where he just defaults to a states right stance is very well suited to being all things to all people, and it’s basically a cop-out non position.
As for what they’re really up to, this kind of ties in to the recent discussion of democratic plants at the CNN/YouTube debates. That’s an example of what they’re willing to do to screw up the GOP primary, and I think their support of Paul is too.
Now whether they want to discredit him by their presence, or throw off the results in the primary by supporting him is up for debate.
Dave
Literally Pimping for (Ron) PaulTo those who enter into Hof's establishment and declare that "I'm pimping for Paul," Hof will bequeath the services of two bunnies for the price of one. Or double whatever they choose to partake of there. Some of you know the drill.
Two hookers for the price of one, or double one's services, whatever that is. You can't make this stuff up.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1932812/posts
There have been accusations that Soros is laundering funds going to Paul, much as Asian and Asian-American businessmen are accused of laundering funds to Hillary Clinton through low paid workers who donate hundreds of dollars to her campaign. I don't see where he could be forging tens of thousands of names. Given the hostility to the Paul campaign in the GOP establishment, anyone engaged in financial misdeeds would be prosecuted in a New York minute and, if guilty, would do long and hard jail time, definitely not in the sort of minimum security facility that Martha Stewart stayed in. If any money laundering is occurring, the operatives are extremely foolish.
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“There are accounts that confrontations have become heated at some of these meetups, particularly the one held in Las Vegas earlier this month.”
lol, well i can attest to this meeting as I was at it. About 1/3rd of the people there were Ron Paul supporters, the room was overflowing packed as the regular republican crowd was unused to this many new people. We just missed the election of one of our members as treasurer by a few votes. The election rules were voted down, due to objections by ourselves and others. Unfortunately, there are some Ron Paul supporters who view ‘everything GOP’ with suspicion and even disdain, but I’d say this is a minority. All of the RP supporters there were registered republicans (new or old) and in fact, there were many in the regular crowd who were Ron Paul supporters too. It is amazing the power the ron paul groups can have if they unite and attend some of these local county gop meetings.
Reactions from the ‘old gaurd’ ranged from happiness we were there and participating and hope we would stay around after the election, to equal suspicion. Some folks there run it more as a social club than anything. The fact is both groups want fair elections but hopefully we can overcome this unease and get this accomplished.
I suspect this mixing with Ron Paul groups and the new blood being injected into the republican party is on display all over the country. The Republican party is growing one direction, towards freedom and dying off elsewhere. They would be wise to welcome the RPers into the fold to grow and advance the party and increase freedom and repeal socialism in the united states.
You can view more of what happened in vegas at the las vegas ron paul meetup site, there is much discussion of this on our forum there.
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