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To: ejonesie22

Nah i cant take that credit in your eyes man.

I don’t think we’ve done poorly in Iraq(I think we could have done better), I think, we’ve let the rest of the world sell us on, “You break it, you own it”, which is what the dems are telling their people to keep them in line.

I think the motto is “Mission Accomplished” Saddam’s toast, every country in the world witnessed the smackdown we command. The Iraqi people are either going to get their stuff together or they wont.

I think the longer we hold their hands the more likely we are to wear out our welcome. Could Iran take them over in the vaccum of our leaving? Possibly, although I doubt seriously they could hold it for any period of time. When comparing our forces versus theirs you almost have to laugh.

If the Shias and Sunnis are going to have a war then were only delaying it. No country is in any hurry to piss us off again. We’ve not only accomplished our goal of regime change, we’ve demonstrated the repercussions of tangling with us.

I do think we should bring all our troops home, i know that’s not a popular sentiment. Let me tell you why i feel that way.

Our troops in Europe were intially from the WW1 and WW2, the iron curtain, the berlin wall etc... it was the frontguard to USSR invasion.

I think we can agree that Putin is an evil dude, looking to regain the old soviets former glory, so russia isn’t exactly safe to trust.

but what we do instead is pay the heartland countries of the EU billions of dollars for our bases, and stimulate their economy by pumping US dollars in through our troops.

What they do is use that money to pass socialistic givaways for their people all the while thumbing their nose at us and emboldening the socialists here at home.

I say we pull the troops, and the foreign aid. Let their governments reform under the actual circumstances they should be living under and watch as they give up their pseudo communist crap and start engaging free market principles.

If russia uses it as an opportunity to attack europe, then congress declares war and we get it on. It beats listening to people harp on europes welfare state like its the model for the future, all the while knowing that mine and your tax money is propping it up.

On Korea:

South Korea has a fully functional military, armed and trained by us, theyre not pushovers, and unlike the north, they have food and industry.(I imagine you’ve seen the picture of N and South at night, N is black and South is lit up almost like the states.

Since i believe in the freemarket, and liberty, and i think it’s a powerful force for change, i think that the North would reform long before the South would suddenly decide that communism was all well and good.

Could there be war? Yes. China, who N. Korea is obviously married to could launch an attack, and if Chinese involvment was heavy enough where the South may actually lose, we can always engage, have congress declare war and get it on.

In my view, this beats paying North Korea money that they use to fund their military. We are literally buying guns and ammo for Lil Kim(jong Il)

Cut the aid, get off the peninsula, continue to trade with the south.

It’s a different policy, it may be radical(depends on your views i guess), but i think it is a good policy for the US. It may be a bit tough for countries living off our teat, but that’s what this is all about.


335 posted on 11/08/2007 2:50:27 PM PST by Dreddnafious
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To: Dreddnafious

Excellent response. I have some differene with you and I’ll dive into them when I am not typing on a 1 inch tall keyboard on my smart phone. But is is nice to not have an argument wrapped up in the normal “Its unconstitutioal” etc. blather..


352 posted on 11/08/2007 4:05:19 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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