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To: WLR

My apologies for the grammatical disaster, I was editing and double clicked the wrong button.

Why are you not addressing the real issue?

It is Legal for LEO to lie, to use subtrifuge in trying to obtain information from a suspect or potential suspect (which is everybody of course).

That means the Officer was not doing anything wrong. Other than being offensive to our sense of right and wrong..

He was not breaking any law..

He was not saying “I will arrest you unless you give me $20”

Address that problem and you can get to the root of things.

Firing the LEO who did not falsely charge the kid is wrong.

All it will do is result is Officers being more slick.. Placing more people in “Protective Custody” or using other more aggressive but technically correct techniques to gain compliance..

So the next kid that does not answer will get pulled out of the car thumped and arrested for X & X & X.

It is easy to triumph up a cause for arrest..

At the same time we want Officers to be vigilant and to be inquisitive..

The other possible result is for Officers to just ignore anything but gunshots and bloody screams..

Firing this LEO was wrong because he did nothing wrong as the law is currently written.

I don’t see the value in his removal..

W


116 posted on 09/22/2007 12:40:22 PM PDT by WLR (Secure our Schools with Armed Staff on Campus. Build the Fence, Nuke Iran)
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To: WLR

“Firing this LEO was wrong because he did nothing wrong as the law is currently written.

I don’t see the value in his removal..”

One does not have to break the law to be fired from his job. I would be interested to see what department policy says about this, though. You may be right, he may have broken no laws or rules. Not something I had considered.


120 posted on 09/22/2007 12:55:44 PM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: WLR
It is Legal for LEO to lie, to use subtrifuge in trying to obtain information from a suspect or potential suspect (which is everybody of course).

That means the Officer was not doing anything wrong. Other than being offensive to our sense of right and wrong..

He was not breaking any law..

Threatening falsifying charges to arrest an innocent person and getting their car towed falls way outside lying and subterfuge IMO. With your theory cops could just walk up an down the street, bracing people at will and threatening them until they confess.

Remember, only in a police state is the job of a policeman easy.

124 posted on 09/22/2007 1:02:02 PM PDT by cryptical ("The future is already here; it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson)
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To: WLR
You ever consider that he [or others] had been 'messed with' before?

-- Cops that mess with people are on the way out, thanks to recorders, and the 'agitators' they enable. -- And rational people won't miss that type of police work.

WLR wrote:
Why are you not addressing the real issue?

I am. The real issue is cops that abuse their authority.

It is Legal for LEO to lie, to use subtrifuge in trying to obtain information from a suspect or potential suspect (which is everybody of course).

We are all suspects. Good grief. And it is not 'legal' for officials to lie.

That means the Officer was not doing anything wrong. Other than being offensive to our sense of right and wrong..
He was not breaking any law.. He was not saying ?I will arrest you unless you give me $20? Address that problem and you can get to the root of things.

Its been addressed by our Constitution. All officials are sworn to support and defend it. Lying is a form of entrapment.

Firing the LEO who did not falsely charge the kid is wrong. All it will do is result is Officers being more slick.. Placing more people in "Protective Custody" or using other more aggressive but technically correct techniques to gain compliance..

'Slick' officials can be dealt with. - And recording their every move is an excellent way to start.

So the next kid that does not answer will get pulled out of the car thumped and arrested for X & X & X.

And the next kid that records getting pulled out of the car and thumped, -- the cop will be arrested for assault.

It is easy to triumph up a cause for arrest..

Yep, that used to be the case. Records from on the scene will put a stop to such trumped up police triumphs.

At the same time we want Officers to be vigilant and to be inquisitive..

Cops will have to learn to do their jobs without abusing rights.

The other possible result is for Officers to just ignore anything but gunshots and bloody screams..

Spare me the hype.

Firing this LEO was wrong because he did nothing wrong as the law is currently written.

Here's the current law.

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Civil Rights - Color of Law
Address:http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/color.htm

I don't see the value in his removal..

Apparently, you've never ran into a rogue cop. Lucky you.

131 posted on 09/22/2007 1:23:09 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: WLR

e gad.
Your post was bad enough the first time around - did you have to submit it twice...


148 posted on 09/22/2007 2:10:56 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." LINCOLN)
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