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Haditha Article 32: SSgt. Frank Wuterich
Defend Our Marines ^ | August 30, 2007 | David Allender

Posted on 08/30/2007 3:30:44 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: RedRover; freema

As usual Red. Thanks for the easy to read details. And both, thanks for the ping. It is going down to the wire.


41 posted on 08/30/2007 6:11:08 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Hunter in 2008)
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To: jazusamo

I don’t either, and I thank God for it, and for Mendoza.


42 posted on 08/30/2007 6:11:38 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: Enchante

I think I’d call that witness tampering.


43 posted on 08/30/2007 6:12:27 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: Marine_Uncle

It would be great if the wire was not around the Marines’ throat, eh? Good to see you, Unc.


44 posted on 08/30/2007 6:13:54 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: freema
"witness tampering"

That's certainly what I'd call it! I believe that many civilian cases have been thrown out of court for lesser prosecutorial misconduct than this .... ok, I know that the NCIS is not exactly the analogue of the civilian DA's office, but still, if it is on record that a witness changed testimony to include supposed "facts" provided by the NCIS, that seems like an obvious kind of witness tampering to me.

Civilian cases can get thrown out for less....
45 posted on 08/30/2007 6:17:05 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Girlene; RedRover
THE DROP/ADD PERIOD AS BEEN EXTENDED??????????!!!!!!!!!!!

ADDITIONAL CHARGES FOR MARINE OFFICER IN HADITHA DEATHS

The Associated Press Article Launched: 08/30/2007 05:25:29 PM PDT


46 posted on 08/30/2007 6:21:36 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: freema

47 posted on 08/30/2007 6:27:30 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: Girlene

Thanks for the PING!

Good to hear one of the counts was dropped—now let’s watch them ALL go *thud*.


48 posted on 08/30/2007 10:32:33 PM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: RedRover
Deadly Questions

Far From The Iraq War, Wuterich Case Opens

By JESSE HAMILTON | (Hartford)Courant Staff Writer August 31,

The cross-examination from Wuterich's defense team - which is made up of civilian lawyers Neal Puckett and Mark Zaid, along with two military lawyers - attacked Mendoza with Perry Mason aggressiveness, suggesting he was lying, contradicting earlier statements and changing his story significantly after being granted immunity. But the government's chief attorney, Lt. Col. Sean Sullivan, shot from his seat repeatedly, objecting to defense attorney Maj. Haytham Faraj's questioning and accusing him of unethical behavior, although he later withdrew the accusation.

http://www.courant.com/news/custom/topnews/hc-wuterich0831.artaug31,0,5405289.story

49 posted on 08/31/2007 3:01:28 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: RedRover; Girlene; jazusamo; All
Aerial footage from an unmanned drone shows that Marines were engaged in several other combat operations around Haditha that day. The Associated Press obtained the footage on Thursday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/30/AR2007083000235.html

10:35 PM

50 posted on 08/31/2007 3:08:37 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: freema

Mendoza, who spent several hours testifying in a base courtroom, said earlier in the day that he never saw Wuterich kill any Iraqis inside the two homes.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/31/news/top_stories/22_15_258_30_07.txt


51 posted on 08/31/2007 3:14:41 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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To: freema; All
Also in the San Diego Union Tribune: Marine says he didn't see defendant shoot
52 posted on 08/31/2007 3:37:23 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene; RedRover; pinkpanther111

This statement was made to me by a “cool” insider when I noted that I thought SSgt Wuterich looked sad.

I was told it is his confident, going to whip the world look. That his demeanor says, follow me, I know what I am doing.


53 posted on 08/31/2007 5:09:48 AM PDT by lilycicero (I believe it.)
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To: lilycicero

Frank should be confident. He’s on his way to be being exonerated.

Prayers for the Wuterich family.


54 posted on 08/31/2007 5:28:04 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: freema; lilycicero; RedRover; jazusamo
Maj. Haytham Faraj was also a defense attorney for Cpl. Trent Thomas in the Hamdania hearing/trial.

More from the article at this link Deadly Questions

Mendoza said he hadn't seen gunfire from the house, but the Marines went in shooting, according to his description. Cpl. Hector Salinas fired the first shots, which Mendoza said dropped an old woman in the entry hallway of the home. The Marines rushed in to clear the rest of the house. In the room Mendoza rushed into, there was an adult male Iraqi. Mendoza said he went back out to higher-ranked Salinas, and this is how he describes the ensuing conversation:

Mendoza: "There is an Iraqi in the next room."

Salinas: "Well, he's the enemy."

Mendoza: "Do I request permission to shoot?"

Salinas: "Yes."

Mendoza went back to the room. Though Mendoza said he didn't intend to shoot the unarmed man, he said the man seemed to move to get something from a closet. "I started shooting around six rounds until he went down."

Mendoza would explain that his training taught that when a house is hostile - that is, somebody is shooting from there - everybody inside is considered an enemy.


Mendoza sure seems to have lots of time to wander around in these houses, go back ask questions, mill around some more, then shoot.
55 posted on 08/31/2007 5:38:00 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

And the farmer hauled another load away...


56 posted on 08/31/2007 7:10:47 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Girlene

Nothing like a debate during the heat of a battle... so now he’s fingering Salinas and not Tatum? I guess since Ware slapped his testimony down in Tatum’s case, he has to find someone else to blame things on. i agree with Maj Faraj - I think Mendoza was the loose cannon on the team.


57 posted on 08/31/2007 7:18:04 AM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger; Girlene; lilycicero; All

Dela Cruz Will Tesify Today!

Marine to Testify in Haditha Hearing, Associated Press, August 31, 2007.

Thomas Watkins, Associated Press Writer

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) - Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich has admitted shooting a group of Iraqi men by a car in Haditha, but the circumstances under which he did so remain in dispute.

Wuterich, 27, claims the killings were justified because he had identified the men as military-age males close to where a roadside bomb had killed one of his squad members. He said they tried to run from the car, instead of obeying an order not to.

However, another member of the squad, Sgt. Sanick Dela Cruz, testified in a hearing in May that Wuterich shot the men while they had their hands in the air.

``They were just standing, looking around, had hands up,'' Dela Cruz said. ``Then I saw one of them drop in the middle. I didn't know what was going on, sir. Looked to my left, saw Staff Sgt. Wuterich shooting.''

The two accounts were expected to play out in a military courtroom Friday, where Dela Cruz was scheduled to testify at a preliminary hearing to determine whether Wuterich should face a court-martial on 17 counts of unpremeditated murder.

One of Wuterich's defense attorneys, Lt. Col. Colby Vokey, said Dela Cruz's account was incorrect and that the Marine had changed his story several times during the investigation.

``He has given many statements and given many different versions. Dela Cruz is all over the map,'' Vokey said.

Wuterich was initially charged with murdering 18 Iraqis in a bloody combat operation that left 24 Iraqi civilians dead, but at the outset of his hearing Thursday, prosecutors withdrew one murder count.

Dela Cruz also was charged with murder, but prosecutors dismissed his charges and gave him immunity to testify against Wuterich.

The case centers on whether Wuterich, who had never experienced combat before, acted within Marine rules of engagement when he shot the men by the car, then led his squad in a string of house raids.

Wuterich asserts that he was following combat rules and that he attacked the houses because he thought gunfire was coming from them.

The first witness to testify in his hearing was Lance Cpl. Humberto Mendoza, who also was granted immunity to testify.

Mendoza described the events of Nov. 19, 2005, as a fast-flowing series of engagements. After a Marine Humvee driver was killed in a roadside bomb, the troops raided several homes.

``When I opened the door, the first thing I see is women and kids laying down on a bed,'' Mendoza said. ``I believe they were scared.''

Mendoza testified that he had shot an unarmed Iraqi man who opened the front door to the home, and that he shot a different man in another house who he thought was reaching for a weapon. Mendoza said the killings were within combat rules because the occupants of the homes had been declared hostile.

He also testified that he saw Wuterich open fire by the scene of the bomb blast before the house clearing began.

Aerial footage from an unmanned drone in the minutes after the bomb blast shows several bodies clustered close to a car. The tape obtained Thursday by The Associated Press also shows Marines engaged in several other gun fights in the city that day.

Asked by the defense what he thought of Wuterich, Mendoza replied: ``I think he's a great Marine, sir.''

The Article 32 hearing is similar to a grand jury probe, but the defense gets to cross-examine government witnesses. At the end of the hearing, investigating officer Lt. Col. Paul Ware will make a recommendation about whether Wuterich, of Meriden, Conn., should stand trial. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who is overseeing the case, makes the final decision.

Ware has already presided over two separate hearings in the Haditha case, those of lance corporals Stephen Tatum and Justin Sharratt, who were charged with murder. In both cases, Ware found prosecutors could not prove the Marines operated outside combat rules and recommended the charges be dismissed.

Wuterich is also charged with making a false official statement and telling another Marine to do the same. He faces a possible life sentence and dishonorable discharge if found guilty.

58 posted on 08/31/2007 7:29:06 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; Chickenhawk Warmonger
This should be an interesting day with Dela Cruz testifying. Expect more headlines just in case anyone forgot what he claimed to have done to one of the dead Iraqis.

Nothing like a debate during the heat of a battle LOL, Chick! It does seem odd how he has all this time to go ask questions, mull it over, wander around, all while grenades and gunfire are errupting. He can remember getting orders to shoot Iraqis, but can't remember if he heard a grenade in one of the houses.
59 posted on 08/31/2007 7:49:50 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: RedRover

I look forward to Wuterich’s attorney nailing Dela Cruz to the wall about seeing the man in the middle lean forward and THEN looking at Wuterich and seeing him firing. Was Wuterich using a super duper silencer or something? Is it POSSIBLE that the man was making a move for a weapon and THEN Wuterich fired - I certainly think so.

I am very disappointed in Mendoza and Dela Cruz. They will have to go through the rest of their lives knowing that they turned their back on the best brothers they could ever have and have been partially responsible for the legal hell the Marines have been through.


60 posted on 08/31/2007 9:27:08 AM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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