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To: t_skoz; eyespysomething
If they hated us simply for being infidels, they would be attacking every western nation in the world.

Your understanding of current events and history is horribly, terribly incorrect.

Our third president fought the United States' first war on Islamic terror.

The Muslims have been attacking infidels since Mohammed was big enough to pick up a sword.

I'm really surpised you've never heard of the Crusades.

The Islamic bloodlust well predates American intervention in foreign affairs. Just ask the knights templar. ... Oh, wait, can't ask them - their heads were chopped off.

The leaders were then rounded up and taken to Saladin's camp. The Moslem leader had erected a tent for this special purpose. The common soldiers were sold into slavery. It is said that one Saracen had so many slaves he was willing to trade one for a pair of shoes. As for the Templars, Saladin spared none except for their Grand Master, Gerard de Ridefort. Each Templar and Hospitaller was forced to his knees while Moslem soldiers beheaded them. None complained and each met his death with utter silence and humility, for such was the way of the order. Many other soldiers wishing death rather than a life of slavery in the service of infidels rushed forth claiming to be Templars.

I assure you, even the most glancing look at history will prove to you that the Moslems have been attacking non-believers since the cult was established.

7 posted on 06/07/2007 7:48:12 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder

OK, I didn’t think I needed to go back as far as the Barbary pirates. What happened between Jefferson and Madison’s Barbary Wars and the next bit of Islamic terrorism? I ask not in an accusatory tone, but because I simply don’t have that information off the top of my head. If you could provide some links so I could read up, it would be appreciated.

On the one hand, I agree with you 100%: Islam is a cult of death that wants to raise its flag above the capital of every nation on earth. They will continue even with the knowledge that this may never happen for thousands of years. On the other hand, I think there’s a lot we can do to reduce our chances of being attacked, and I’m not sure that we should be involved in foreign intervention to the degree that we are now.

Best regards,


8 posted on 06/07/2007 7:59:25 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: SittinYonder
The Muslims have been attacking infidels since Mohammed was big enough to pick up a sword. I'm really surpised you've never heard of the Crusades

Remind me again, where were the Crusades?

Your understanding of current events and history is horribly, terribly incorrect.

Frankly I'm really suprised someone with a grasp of history such as yourself believes some of the nonsensical reasoning the administration has given. And I congratulate you on providing examples. It's refreshing to see support for an argument.

They don't hate us for our freedoms (well they may but not enough to attack us), they hate us because we're over there. Same with the British, or the French. Or was the Battle of the Pyramids really over whether Napoleon's statue to himself should have been 20 or 30 feet tall? Although I'll grant you the French incursion may not be completely viable (as to what would have happened to the French) since Nelson's attack a little over a week later

15 posted on 06/07/2007 11:13:48 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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