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The Looming GOP Rift: Will the Right Secede?
Self | 2/25/07 | Rudder

Posted on 02/25/2007 3:24:10 PM PST by Rudder

My Dear Feepers,

It’s not just on Free Republic alone, the rift within the GOP perhaps more properly described as the rift between the GOP and one its constituents---Conservatives---has caught the attention of virtually all the major political prognosticators.

It’s a painful thing to endure, and likely it will not enhance our effectiveness as a party, as a political movement or in winning elections. And, at it’s current rate of development and the sometime nastiness of the invective on FR, I think it’s going to get worse long before it’s going to get better.

Think about this as a possible solution, one which allow all of us to still retain our own brand of conservatism and still push for a big win in 2008.

Consider the latest FR poll: 62% Hunter--27% Giuliani.

If the question could have been asked (perhaps it will in the future):
“Hunter is 15 points ahead of McCain and the rest of the pack fall further behind.
Giuliani shows ratings between 1 and 2% at this time, but with hard work and a creative campaign strategy, he just might pull it off in the next 22 months.

For whom would Freepers vote? My guess those going for Hunter would 99% of Freepers.

Can we do both? Support Hunter and yet, despite our best effort and he loses the primary, vote for a win in 2008 no matter who (except McCain) is our candidate?

I suspect the great majority of us could.

I propose this as one who wholeheartedly supports both candidates. Right now, Rudy looks like a winner and a guy who can best handle the job as CIC. Should it be Duncan, I would feel secure knowing that he represents my conservative philosophy and would govern as such.

I see two advantages obtained by this approach: 1. It may well reduce what could become damaging rifts within our community of Freepers. 2. If it works, it could spread and give conservatives in general (not just Freepers) unity---and a louder, focused voice (Re: Meiers?) that would influence the platform and the candidate.

I eagerly anticipate your comments and the flames.

R


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Something to toss around this Sunday evening.
1 posted on 02/25/2007 3:24:15 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder

It's Sunday...

Group Hug!


2 posted on 02/25/2007 3:27:04 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Rudder
Hopefully we'll have enough sense to unite behind the eventual Republican nominee, regardless of who it is.
3 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:14 PM PST by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: Rudder

It depends on how you define 'conservative'.

I consider the core of conservatism at the national level to be:

1. Strong national defense
2. Low taxes
3. Strict constructionist judges with regard to rights reserved for the states.

The Constitution was designed not to give the Federal government any say over social issues.


4 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:45 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Rudder

Are both candidates conservatives or is one a partial conservative? If there is such a thing.

Conservatives usually vote GOP by default. BUT, right now de fault lies with the GOP.


5 posted on 02/25/2007 3:28:59 PM PST by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Rudder

Nice post. At this point, I think the only GOP candidate I couldn't support in the General Election would be McCain. As an Arizonan I have learned not to trust him since his opinions swing so wildly without any ideological or logical compass. I could see him nuking Iran one week and surrendering to N. Korea the next. He's just loco, irrational and doesn't know what he's doing.


6 posted on 02/25/2007 3:29:07 PM PST by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: Rudder
Some of us did, a long time ago. Bob Dole and Mr. "Bleeding Heart (non)Conservative" (gag!) Jack Kemp did it for me.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

7 posted on 02/25/2007 3:30:05 PM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: Rudder

a good number of them will.

but look at it this way - we may not be able to win the presidency without them, but we surely cannot win the presidency with ONLY them.

so what path do you want to choose? a sure loss, or a possible win.


8 posted on 02/25/2007 3:31:48 PM PST by oceanview
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To: proxy_user

Well said! Last I knew, conservatives wanted government out of our lives and out of our bedrooms.


9 posted on 02/25/2007 3:33:08 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Rudder
No way I would EVER vote for Guiliani.

Liberal Republicans like Guiliani are more dangerous than liberal democrats,

because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between liberalism and conservatism,

making LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE.

10 posted on 02/25/2007 3:34:47 PM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: wku man

The choice is so clear that it blinds. Anyone who withholds support from the party's nominee who is not a Democrat, is paying for 8 cylinders and running on 6.


11 posted on 02/25/2007 3:35:33 PM PST by billhilly
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To: proxy_user
The Constitution was designed not to give the Federal government any say over social issues

Too late.

Surely you're not suggesting that we abandon the social issue law and regulations to the Leftists on principal?

12 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:12 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Rudder

The GOP is not going to fix itself. That said, I don't have much hope for conservatives doing what they should have done after Ronaldus Maximus left office; set up their own political party and told the GOP to take a long hike off a short pier.

Unfortunately, conservatives are the battered spouses of American politics. They are routinely abused by the GOP and have been for decades. But they'll never take the initiative to simply walk out the door.

We tend to forget that a political party is a tool for getting members of that party elected to office. Hard stop. It is not an ideological construct.


13 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:24 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: smoothsailing

I'm happy the Constitution prevents President Bush from running for a third term. He has greatly disappointed me with his obsessive push for open borders and amnesty for illegals.

Maybe we'll get a conservative candidate this time who gives a hoot about national sovereignty and the economic interests of American CITIZENS and TAXPAYERS.


14 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:51 PM PST by Deo volente
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To: proxy_user
1. Strong national defense

What does that mean?

There are several elements that comprise that lofty objective. Many of those elements are not supported by many legislators... democrats and republicans.

15 posted on 02/25/2007 3:36:59 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Rudder
I find the surge for Rudy and against McCain to be astounding. I would vote for either, but I'm amazed conservatives would support a domestic liberal (on everything but taxes I guess) and that they reject McCain who is pro defense, pro Iraq war, staunchly pro life, etc.

I would tend to support Romney, then consider Rudy BECAUSE executive experience is important and a governor (hopefully a mayor) beats a Senator.

An issue no one mentions is VERY important - fighting corruption. The GOP is sooo stupid to be tagged as corrupt, when in many states the republican US Attorney is the ONLY check on democrat corruption. New Jersey - need I say more?

16 posted on 02/25/2007 3:39:24 PM PST by Williams
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To: inkling

I agree. If I had to "choose" McCain, I'd go back to drinking.


17 posted on 02/25/2007 3:39:42 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Rudder; Mrs. Frogjerk; Fiddlstix; cowtowney; xsmommy; TitansAFC; coton_lover; SoCalPol; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic Ping List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

18 posted on 02/25/2007 3:39:51 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: billhilly
So to you, party is everything, eh? Run a yellow dog with an "R" behind his name, and he'll have billhilly's vote? Is that what you're trying to say?

You know, they used to be called "Yellow Dog Democrats", but I guess the Pubbies have gotten that stupid as well. Glad I'm a registered Independant.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

19 posted on 02/25/2007 3:40:21 PM PST by wku man (Claire Wolfe's "awkward time" is quickly coming to an end!)
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To: smoothsailing

There is no way I will vote for Rudy McRomney, if it is a split so be it.


20 posted on 02/25/2007 3:40:47 PM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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