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To: Man50D

Interesting points...

except - I believe the one you indicate regarding religion - the "establishment clause" so-called...

Does not prohibit discrimination against mohammadanism. The truth about the intent of the Founding Fathers is that they wrote that clause specifically to keep any particular sect, or denomination of Christianity from gaining preeminence or favour in the political arena, and consequently using its clout to create a more favourable environment for its own proselytizing, profit and growth, and/or a less favourable one for competing Christian churches. Bear in mind the oppressive environment that many settlers fled in N. Europe

At the time that was drafted, the religion of the colonies/budding states was presumptively Christian. By Population, 96% Christian of various sects or denoms, about 2 to 3% were Jewish, and the remainder were nonbelievers.

Among the first military campaigns mounted by the fledgling country were the battles against the Barbary pirates of Algiers and Morocco - treacherous mohammadan scum who waylaid American merchant ships, captured the seamen and sold many into slavery, held others until the us government paid a ransom equal to one fifth of the total federal budget at the time.

The USS Constitution, and the US Marines were created specifically to deal with those threats. "From the Halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli..." It was the Moslem Barbary pirates on those shores of Tripoli.

Jffferson and those others who wrote our Constitution were acutely aware of recent history in Europe - they were students of history, far more than any of our current pathetic crop are!

It had only been {I believe} 1783 when Mustafa had led the last horde of moslem invaders to arms against Northern Europe, and been rebuffed one last time. Some have called Jefferson a "Deist" rather than a Christian, and much has been made recently of the fact that he owned a copy of the qur'an.

I take it as an indication that Jefferson - who was one of the most intelligent and most educated men of his day, as well as one of the most intelligent Presidents in our history - was exercising intellectual curiosity, and comparing the claims of islam to those of Judaism and Christianity.

My contention is that if Jefferson had believed islam to be a credible or true religion, one which actually did worship and follow the same deity as Judaism or Christianity - he would have incorporated that knowledge into the Constitution in very specific terms, would have made certain it was protected on a par with the other two.

I believe whether mohammadanism is to be considered a religion or not - it was not on a par with Judaism or Christianity in the US, and should rightly never be! That includes affording them the protections under the law that the rest of us have.

It should be clear enough from history how islam has treated Jews and Christians - as second class citizens - even in their own countries once islam had strength of numbers, and/or military/political supremacy - that they likely have every intent of trying to replicate those results and reducing us to an extinct, or highly overtaxed dhimmi class - suffered to live so long as our moslem masters felt themselves sufficiently appeased.

That clarity ought to dictate our policy: moslems in our land are second class citizens - never more than that at best, until the day they forswear all their allegiance to jihad, allegiance to imams and mullahs, their demands for sharia law to govern anything at all.

We cannot allow them to use our own Constitution against us. It will be the death of the Constitution,and of ourselves if we fail.

A.A.C.

"The Final Crusade has commenced: Preserve, protect and defend our Constitution, whatever the cost!"


165 posted on 02/20/2007 2:12:30 AM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Re-pinging my own “good stuff”.


193 posted on 10/24/2009 3:24:46 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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