Posted on 12/22/2006 8:01:39 AM PST by Jihadi Du Jour
See my response to post #11, immediately preceding your post.
The Muslims tout the fact that they are our enemies, I see it every night on T.V. People like you won't understand this until one day you wake up & some nutcase has set off a nuke here. You want to call us racists when these people want to kill us because of our Religion, now who's the racist?
Please be more specific about which "they" your post mentions. You don't mean Keith Ellison, do you? If you are referring to American citizens, please name all of them so there is some way for a person of my limited intelligence to understand your mutterings.
Which Muslims? You don't mean Keith Ellison, do you?
Mr. Ellison is a patriotic American citizen, just like you and me. If a no-good bigot like Virgil Goode questioned your patriotism you would want me to stick up for you just like I am standing up against Mr. Goode's bullying here on FR, would you not?
You are aware of the 20+ prisoners at Guantanamo Bay who committed suicide after being captured by American forces in the Middle East, aren't you? None of the ones who committed suicide were convicted of any crime. They didn't even have a quasi-judicial hearing to determine they were enemy combatants as alleged by the Bush Administration.
Suppose one of those 20+ young men escaped after a few months of Guantanamo Bay torture. You wouldn't be surprised if they committed terrorist acts in Cuba or in the U.S. would you?
I have a simple sollution to all this "Are American Muslims moderates or not?" debates.
Let all the Muslim organizations and Mosques in America open up their financial records to the govt, which should have been done after 911 anyways. Let's see where the money's coming from and where it's going. This is obviously not an end-all sollution, but it would at least solve the problem of financial connections. Any institution financially connected to any terrorist organization or govt. could then be classified as an enemy combatant. This will probably happen in some way after the next attack anyway, and the govt. already acknowledges the existence of sleeper cells. Why wait?
Why discriminate against the Muslims when Christians have performed terrorist acts in the U.S. too? Think of the people who bombed abortion clinics with loss of lives. What makes those christofascists any better than Muslims?
Your argument appears to lack consistency. If Muslims and mosques are subject to laws proscribing terrorism, why not apply those laws equally to Christians and churches?
Mr. Ellison is openly Muslim and until recently (last 5 yrs) I had no reason to dislike them. But when you hear or read what these people are preaching how can you take up for him or them. I mean if said I'm a Patriotic American that belongs to the KKK, you would scream at the top of your lungs that I'm a racist. But this guy say's hey i'm a Patriotic American so you'll have to overlook the fact that his/their religion calls for the killing or conversion of Infidels, does it not? Just for the record the Infidels they're talking about is us.
Oyvey. Keith Ellison is a Farrakhan acolyte who supports every copkiller with a Muslim sounding name.
Suppose one of those 20+ young men escaped after a few months of Guantanamo Bay torture. You wouldn't be surprised if they committed terrorist acts in Cuba or in the U.S. would you?
First, It is common knowledge that some of these "suicides" were staged to perpetuate "abuse and torture" rumors about the military at Gitmo.
Second, there are more living detainees than dead. No one forces a suicide...except Allah.
Third, I'm sure there are 20+ Muslims angry about Gitmo already in this country...no I'm surprised an attack hasn't already happened, frankly.
muslims.
Yes, and I would do the same to Keith Ellison if he screamed racist BS at the top of his lungs the same way that Virgil Goode does. But Mr. Ellison doesn't.
But this guy say's hey i'm a Patriotic American so you'll have to overlook the fact that his/their religion calls for the killing or conversion of Infidels, does it not?
You agree that Mr. Ellison is a patriot, don't you? If not please point out what facts I overlooked.
If others in his religion are killers or call the rest of us infidels, I blame those others, not Mr. Ellison.
"Your argument appears to lack consistency. If Muslims and mosques are subject to laws proscribing terrorism, why not apply those laws equally to Christians and churches?"
If you're so naive to think that "Christian terrorism" poses the same qualitative threat as Islamic terrorism, there's not much more I can say.
I'm all for restricting immigration, but Goode's incoherent blather undermines the cause by making us look like idiots.
Maybe Mr. Goode has noted what has happened in other countries with growing Muslim populations.
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