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To: Challenger Grim
I love science, I really do, but I have to wonder, how do we know? Someone invent a time machine?

No, we do not have time machines, but we do have radio telescopes. The further we see into the Universe, the farther back in time we are looking. Background radiation, radio signals, and even some light waves tell the story. Don't ask me how. As I said, I am not a physicist, but I am a thinker.

...there was in fact a Monotheist pharoh several years before Moses led the Israelite nation.

Ok, widespread monotheism. Sheesh... :)

...what does age have to do with any sort of religion or truth whatsoever? A heilocentric universe is a pretty modern thing (especially by your standard), but does that mean we should prefer the Earth-centric universe then? Age means nothing on whether a fact is T-R-U-E.

I was just saying the religions change a lot, and aren't based on any sort of observable facts. Science changes based on observation of facts, or at least what we think are facts at the time.

Just because we can't (at this moment) directly observe God doesn't mean He does or does not exist. For years humankind were not able to observe or see neptune, did that mean the planet did not exist? I'm not answering, just saying that you seem to be making an absolute statement that is beyond the ability of your knowledge or senses to completely validate.

I make absolute statements based on observable evidence. That's all.

Explain this paradox to me. Animals, by nature, are not religious. Therefore, if humans evolved from a common animal ancestor, originally we should have all been atheist from the start no? Logically therefore, religion was something we evolved later which therefore (by the laws of natural selection) means that religion gave a survival advantage to those humans that possessed it over those that did not. Therefore it would seem that we're actually evolving into more and more religiousity than out-growing it.

Animals don't have self-awareness and intelligence, at least not in the same way that humans do. Humans evolved the need for religion for the reasons I explained earlier: justification for their existence, and perhaps a way to explain away things that are (were) unexplainable scientifically, and (in the case of Christianity) a way to deal with mortality. You make a good point for survival, though. I would have to say that religion is a good way to create a hive-mind. Get a bunch of people together with the same strong religeous beliefs, and you have an unbreakable will within a hive-mind (Islam). In the case of organized religion (Catholics come to mind), POWER!!! They ruled Europe for a very long time. And look at the Muslims. Talk about consolodating some serious power. Their mullahs have the power of life and death over the Islamic world. As far as evolving into MORE religiosity, the evidence says otherwise. I just saw a report on Fox News that Atheism is growing like crazy here in America, and in Europe it has already taken over. Churches are being used as flop houses for homeless and being converted into nightclubs.

Thank you for your time and politeness, I hope I have returned the favor.

Sure. I always stay calm during debates. It drives liberals crazy.

21 posted on 11/15/2006 10:34:42 AM PST by America_Right (People should not be afraid of their government. The government should be afraid of the people.)
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