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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: scott0347

I hadn't noticed yet. Are we cursed? Is it a plot?


901 posted on 08/03/2005 7:39:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

Happening on other threads as well.


902 posted on 08/03/2005 7:48:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Ah. A site-wide problem.


903 posted on 08/03/2005 7:50:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: scott0347

I noticed last night.
Seemed to be happening to other threads as well.


904 posted on 08/03/2005 7:52:10 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

Not nearly as bad as on the previous Undead Thread. More of a hesitation than a lag.


905 posted on 08/03/2005 7:55:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

And only by one or two posts it seems.


906 posted on 08/03/2005 7:59:44 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

Other threads seem to be one behind, too. Maybe it's the heat!


907 posted on 08/03/2005 8:00:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

Possibly.


908 posted on 08/03/2005 8:02:40 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Tax-chick

Is there any info as to what hardware is running FR? Being a Network Admin, I am morbidly curious...


909 posted on 08/03/2005 8:08:44 AM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

No idea. You could FReepmail John Robinson and ask.


910 posted on 08/03/2005 8:18:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

Finally have time to "land"...But I do lurk...In and out of consciousness all day...I mean reality!!

Glad I found all of you...


911 posted on 08/03/2005 8:30:42 AM PDT by queenkathy ("Eat a live toad first thing in the morning. Nothing worse can happen to you for the rest of the day)
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To: queenkathy

Hi there! The move was a surprise, but it's certainly improved the response time.


912 posted on 08/03/2005 8:33:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

I heard rumblings this week end and thought I'd wait until things settled to post. My mind was empty all week end anyway!! Nothing new there!

Hot, humit, sticky weather..Good day to stay inside with air conditioning...My castle is secure...and cool!


913 posted on 08/03/2005 8:39:58 AM PDT by queenkathy ("Eat a live toad first thing in the morning. Nothing worse can happen to you for the rest of the day)
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To: queenkathy

My thermometer is showing over 100, but I don't think it's quite that hot for real. My sons are out sweating at Civil War day camp - today is cooking day!


914 posted on 08/03/2005 8:58:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: James S. Henry
"And Lo, the Kitties shall feast upon the rodent flesh of the troll invaders. Yea, even unto their very descendants descendants descendants." -Book of Zot, Chapter 7 verses 1 and 2.

James, You still have yet to explain why you think the Constitution gives you free reign to ignore laws at will.
I'd say you're a troll and should be hounded, harassed, and flushed out like a quail on a hunt.
Link to James S. Henry and his whining libtroll post.

915 posted on 08/03/2005 9:14:48 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

Hasn't James pretty much vanished? Maybe the sunlight was too much for him, and he turned to stone.


916 posted on 08/03/2005 9:30:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

He's gone into hiding.
Seems he didn't like the scrutiny.


917 posted on 08/03/2005 10:18:12 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare; James S. Henry
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Come back James we aren't done with you yet

I'm not bona fide free-lance journalist either, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night

918 posted on 08/03/2005 10:48:02 AM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: James S. Henry; scott0347

James, are you asleep at the keyboard?
Have your fingers fallen off?
Or have you simply lost your nerve?


919 posted on 08/03/2005 10:51:24 AM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: James S. Henry; Darksheare

920 posted on 08/03/2005 11:44:47 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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