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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

I'm showing 99+ and 29% humidity. Anoreth went off without refilling the hummingbird feeders, and now the little monsters are furious!


781 posted on 08/02/2005 1:18:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Monkey Face

LOL.

We have a cool 93.2F here. Come on up!

Actually it's 100.4F with the humidity. Maybe I should come down there for some nice dry heat.


782 posted on 08/02/2005 1:30:39 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Tax-chick
Anoreth went off without refilling the hummingbird feeders, and now the little monsters are furious!

Do they hover a foot from your face, chirping madly, while you're hanging them back up? I expect one of mine will attack one of these days.

783 posted on 08/02/2005 1:31:32 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Darksheare

Got eyes?


784 posted on 08/02/2005 1:31:54 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: SandyInSeattle

We have six birds, I think, in the back yard, and three feeders. They zoom around fighting all day. Cheep, CHEEP!

Anoreth is supposed to be back at 4:45 (less than 15 minutes from now) and the first thing she's going to do is feed them, before they break the study windows trying to get to the flowers!


785 posted on 08/02/2005 1:33:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: fanfan

Not yet.
Still stuck with only my BC glasses.
Until my new lenses are put in my regular frames, I'm stuck looking like a hideous freak of nature.


786 posted on 08/02/2005 1:37:01 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

No thanks necessary. You can return the favor when I visit you. *snort*


787 posted on 08/02/2005 1:46:33 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face; Darkchylde

I'm a HORRIBLE guide actually.
Sis can explain better than I the chaos I'd do.
Blending in here isn't somethign I myself can do, so I have no way of telling anyone how to blend in here.
(Standing out is easy.. very easy.)


788 posted on 08/02/2005 1:48:52 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Tax-chick

Hummingbirds can be extremely aggressive! But I really love to watch them feed. We have so many different kinds of hummers here, as we are in the migratory path for so many different birds.

I don't envy you being pregnant in the summer...:o|


789 posted on 08/02/2005 1:49:24 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

It's 90 with 33%, but that's because the anvil clouds are building again. A couple of hours ago, it was 20%.

C'mon DOWN! You're welcome any time!


790 posted on 08/02/2005 1:56:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: TAquinas

Straight A's so far. I've got a ways to go though.


791 posted on 08/02/2005 2:00:42 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Monkey Face

At least summer will be over before I get really large.

Birds are fed, and Anoreth is off to a drum-and-bugle corps program (whatever floats your boat ...) with some girls down the street. Boys went home from Civil War camp with a friend. So tonight we'll have only 4 children in the house!


792 posted on 08/02/2005 2:05:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Dead Corpse

You gonna make it on the Who is Who on The American Online Schools.

Is an online A equivalent to a brick-and-mortar A?


793 posted on 08/02/2005 2:06:51 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: Dead Corpse

Forgot: all the best.


794 posted on 08/02/2005 2:07:24 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: Tax-chick

To when the happy event?

Felicitations to you and the baby.


795 posted on 08/02/2005 2:09:05 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences)
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To: Dead Corpse

you do online courses? What's the school?


796 posted on 08/02/2005 2:09:14 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: TAquinas
I really couldn't care. I'm not doing this for anyone other than myself and for purely greedy motivations. If they wanna put my moniker up on some glory wall, so be it. ;-)

Just make sure the name is spelled right...

That's "Corpse", with an "e"....

797 posted on 08/02/2005 2:09:40 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

800


798 posted on 08/02/2005 2:09:55 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Asphalt

800


799 posted on 08/02/2005 2:10:03 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Dead Corpse

WOO-HOO!!!!

You GO, guy!


800 posted on 08/02/2005 2:10:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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