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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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5,861 posted on 08/27/2005 12:50:24 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Well, that was wierd...


5,862 posted on 08/27/2005 12:51:14 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

What was weird?


5,863 posted on 08/27/2005 3:27:12 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

I tried to post a 7 point type in red, and nothing showed up...It was supposed to say: HEY! WAKE UP!

ohwell...

How are things in your neck of the woods? 104 today with 19% humidity. Nice! :o]


5,864 posted on 08/27/2005 3:31:46 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Want to hear weird?

I spent an hour with some customers today, and after they left, I went back to my office.
My partner says "Why are in here, when you are still with customers?"

He showed me the screen shot of a woman, and I thought...What! How did that happen?

I went out to see why they had come back, (and without me knowing), and no body was there

We have cameras at work in order to view the public areas.
The picture shows up on the computers. One of the computers had frozen.
:-)




5,865 posted on 08/27/2005 3:34:56 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Ohman? I thought you were going to tell me you had captured a ghost. (Hmpf.)

Yah, that's wierd, alright!


5,866 posted on 08/27/2005 3:36:24 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face; All

If anyone considering Hillary for anything --they haven't really looked at her. She shouldn't be in public office, much like John Kerry. She is part of the anti-war movement from the Vietnam days. Her rhetoric is as socialist as it gets: "We're going to take things away from you for your own good." If you're a "moderate" and you can talk yourself into buying that socialism, then "moderate" has a totally different definition for me than it does for you.


5,867 posted on 08/27/2005 3:42:13 PM PDT by Caoilfhionn (Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet anchor of your liberties-Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: Monkey Face

LOL.
I'd love to capture a ghost, but like a dog chasing after a car, what would I do with it when I caught it?


5,868 posted on 08/27/2005 3:45:51 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Caoilfhionn
"If anyone considering Hillary for anything --they haven't really looked at her. She shouldn't be in public office, much like John Kerry. She is part of the anti-war movement from the Vietnam days. Her rhetoric is as socialist as it gets: "We're going to take things away from you for your own good." If you're a "moderate" and you can talk yourself into buying that socialism, then "moderate" has a totally different definition for me than it does for you."

Hey. We just hi-jacked the thread; we didn't write the article!

5,869 posted on 08/27/2005 3:48:48 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: fanfan

My neighbor has two black pugs, and I speculated that they must have been chasing parked cars.


5,870 posted on 08/27/2005 3:50:00 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Do they have flattened faces?


5,871 posted on 08/27/2005 4:02:06 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Yes, and they snore when they sleep, and snort when they get excited. I've had pugs, and may get another one if my plans for moving solidify.

They are excellent pets.


5,872 posted on 08/27/2005 4:04:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Moving?

Where to?


5,873 posted on 08/27/2005 4:10:44 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Incoming.


5,874 posted on 08/27/2005 4:14:16 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Hi, 'Face! Just got back from county Repub picnic. Good time with old friends.


5,875 posted on 08/27/2005 5:17:20 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Hey! Cool!

I just thought you'd be relieved to know that redhead is back online. Just in case, of course.

All that rain we had on Tuesday is just a memory...103 today...:o]


5,876 posted on 08/27/2005 5:19:30 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face
Glad she's back. Ugh -- 103! I'm glad I'm here where it only reached the 80s. But the rain's supposed to return tomorrow.

The picnic was kind of fun. Small this year, because it's a "between" year (mostly small elections). They used to throw some really huge bashes at a farm out on Vashon Island but that's all history now, I hear.

5,877 posted on 08/27/2005 5:30:13 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: Monkey Face

Moving?


5,878 posted on 08/27/2005 5:30:54 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Incoming


5,879 posted on 08/27/2005 5:34:13 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

Got to go away for a bit; have material for the Traditional Anglican ping list to read.


5,880 posted on 08/27/2005 5:47:40 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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