Criticism accepted, but I'll need help with that.
I'm not sure if I can help with that.
Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB
For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.
The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.
I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.
There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.
Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.
So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.
However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.
I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."
At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.
I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.
With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.
This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.
With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."
Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.
With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.
These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.
I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.
I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....
But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.
As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.
Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.
If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.
Or wear one of those damn blue ties with the red dots. Geeead I hate those.....
LOL!!
As well she should be...how else could she know what I'm thinking?...
She could not. You have to tell her what you want.
That's when the magic happens.
If you want her to know what you're thinking, you have to .... No, let's not get ahead of the story.
As I recall, she has already re-invented herself several times...
Maybe you should create a website dedicated to your characters..."Which character are you?" kind of thing...there are a lot of them there, and one need not read the book before taking the test. However, once the "answer" is given, curiosity would naturally lead toward the book...
(Or am I speaking out of turn?...as the Moody Blues say...)
Saw that.
Notice how G32 brought it up.
They were looking to disrupt.
They should have avoided static discharges.
Hi Tia.
Don't worry.
I was already aware of the CP thread.
Churchilllbuff got themselves smacked today.
And "G32" took it upon themselves to post the often repeated accusation of FR bilking people.
Since that thread 'over there' showed up, it would appear that one of those posters was G32.
So far there have been 3 accounts banned or suspended on that thread.
I'll be glad when the children go back to school!
Yeah, when school starts up again, it should get quieter.
Noticed that, unsure how to take G32/Tighe.
Is that one zot for two, or two zots for one..
*chuckle*
We just finished eating "40 Cloves of Garlic Chicken." Very popular - nothing left but a few bones and some bits of carrot. You can smell us a block away, I'm sure, and we'll have no problem with vampires for a while!
Hi Darks,
Well, I am glad your are still speaking to me.
I don't get into a lot of the bashing hat happens on CP, I'm mostly there to hide.
(But hey... any day that "churchie" gets smacked can't be ALL bad! LOL!)
I have NO clue about G32... don't know, don't WANTA know.
I avoid stuff like that.
Eeep!
Garlic!
:-). I think we had more than 40 cloves, too.
Tax-chick wrote:
We just finished eating "40 Cloves of Garlic Chicken." Very popular - nothing left but a few bones and some bits of carrot. You can smell us a block away, I'm sure, and we'll have no problem with vampires for a while!
LOL, good idea to avoid it actually.
And yes, churchy got smacked but good.
They posted a "The war is FUTILE" thread earlier which got pulled, they were told "don't do that again", so they did.
So they are likely suspended at the least.
But still, Churchy got spanked, and various opportunists and troublemakers are having a case of the sniffles over it.
Be glad you missed most of it.
Hey, Girl?
How are things?
Spinning A wreath is a loop, it’s a circular thing, But the way of our ways is more spiral than ring. It circles around, that is true in its way, But it doesn’t come back to the point where it lay. It just carries on forward and makes a new start, Putting down fresh material to cover that part. A spiral, a turning, a twisting around, As days follow days like the manna we found. For manna from Heaven is the time we receive, Every day, every morning, then we get up and leave, Our abode and our comfort, in trust that we’ll find, It will be there to hold us and help us unwind. Every day as we dance, through our pirouette style, We lay out our moments like a gossamer mile, Of thin silken fibers of dreams and intent, As we spin our life’s work in the days that we’ve spent. With our neighbors and friends as we dodge and we dance, With the warp and the weft, and some colors perchance, We are making a tapestry, each one in our way, Contributes a part with his actions that day.And Who is the artist? The Weaver sublime? The patient Director Who gathers up time? Why Who else would it be but the Master of days, Making silk from the cobwebs we’ve strewn in His ways. NicknamedBob. . . . . . . August 23, 2005
It was very good. Glad I got those cheap chicken thighs!
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