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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout

4,721 posted on 08/21/2005 5:12:51 AM PDT by concretebob (We will not stop until every a$$ is kicked and every name is taken.)
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To: King Prout

Rats missed one..
4,722 posted on 08/21/2005 5:15:33 AM PDT by concretebob (We will not stop until every a$$ is kicked and every name is taken.)
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To: Tax-chick
Thank you...I have a good time working, most of the time.
Last week was paving though...asphalt..HOT HOT HOT
I'm up the road in Richmond, so you know...
Thank God thats over with..
4,723 posted on 08/21/2005 5:17:18 AM PDT by concretebob (We will not stop until every a$$ is kicked and every name is taken.)
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To: concretebob

MUCHAS mellor, jefe!


4,724 posted on 08/21/2005 7:36:37 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: EsmeraldaA
Hey Lady J, I never saw you here before!

Same here! I might have been undercover.


4,725 posted on 08/21/2005 7:44:35 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Lady Jag

that graphic is so slickly done


4,726 posted on 08/21/2005 7:47:07 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: concretebob

Very, very hot. My forecaster here says it's supposed to be cooler next week. (Of course, she's only 14, and she's forecasting based on the behavior of gerbils ... but it could be cooler!)


4,727 posted on 08/21/2005 7:50:00 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: King Prout
....he said he'd get timpad to send it out, but timpad got side-tracked into a mad quest to find a White Castle.

I'm so easily called away. But those little hamburgers are SOOOO good.
4,728 posted on 08/21/2005 8:07:19 AM PDT by timpad (The Wizard Tim - Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade, Finder of Obscurata)
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To: timpad

yes... they ARE...


mmmmm.....

SLIDERS!


4,729 posted on 08/21/2005 8:15:43 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout; Army Air Corps; Darksheare; NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; sionnsar; ...

'Morning.


4,730 posted on 08/21/2005 9:20:35 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Morning.
Did you watch any good movies last night?


4,731 posted on 08/21/2005 9:37:27 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

No movies - I ended up working on stuff for my class.


4,732 posted on 08/21/2005 9:40:49 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

:o[
Well, you DO have to work tomorrow, yes?


4,733 posted on 08/21/2005 9:41:29 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: tuliptree76

afternoon!


4,734 posted on 08/21/2005 9:43:39 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Monkey Face

Yep. Tomorrow is the first day of classes.


4,735 posted on 08/21/2005 9:44:04 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: King Prout

How are you feeling today?


4,736 posted on 08/21/2005 9:45:26 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout

Not quite afternoon here. ;-)


4,737 posted on 08/21/2005 9:45:57 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Maybe you can watch the movie tonight?...


4,738 posted on 08/21/2005 9:45:58 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout

on a completely irrelevant pre-post-lunch-siesta note:

I do what I can to know as little as possible about celebrities, and avoid swooning over them like the plague, but...

I must admit, this Anne Hathaway person strikes my fancy.

Oh, well.
I guess, since I caught a plague, it only follows...


4,739 posted on 08/21/2005 9:46:09 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: tuliptree76

just ate a hearty meal and planed some bamboo.

the combination of a full stomach and exertion has my debilitated self feeling right drowsy.

naptime.


4,740 posted on 08/21/2005 9:47:26 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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