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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Conspiracy Guy

Now THERE'S a visual.


3,201 posted on 08/16/2005 10:39:12 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Dead Corpse

I was in the middle of a phone call and couldn't remember if I clicked post.


3,202 posted on 08/16/2005 10:41:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Hi Heels

The only good puppet is a dead puppet.


3,203 posted on 08/16/2005 10:42:20 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Hi Heels

I like to come home too two waggin tails.


3,204 posted on 08/16/2005 10:42:59 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Hi Heels
"The only good puppet is a dead puppet."

Um, CG. They aren't really alive, you know...

Ya see, the ventriloquist puts his hand up inside ... um ...

... never mind. You're right.

3,205 posted on 08/16/2005 10:46:55 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Dead Corpse

"There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who put everything into categories and those who don't."

Is this redundant?


3,206 posted on 08/16/2005 10:47:07 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Um... I think all three are dead.

You ain't one of those anti-puppet people are you? Come on. Look at those cheeks! They'd never hurt ya!

From l to r we have Jerry Mahoney, Paul Winchell, and Knucklehead Smiff. I was a member of the Mahoney club for most of my elementary school years.

'course, then there's THIS puppet....


3,207 posted on 08/16/2005 10:47:27 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl
I think that's "I like to come home to two, too waggin tails."

Does LE know yer talkin' about her tail?

3,208 posted on 08/16/2005 10:49:49 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels; Conspiracy Guy

Sure!


3,209 posted on 08/16/2005 10:51:14 AM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: Laura Earl; Conspiracy Guy
You two are too much....

I really liked your tagline about fitness. Put it up on my locker at the gym (we just joined a gym).

3,210 posted on 08/16/2005 10:54:40 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Monkey Face

Not sure about redundant, but circular... yes. ;-)


3,211 posted on 08/16/2005 10:56:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Um... there is a joke in there somewhere. One I'm certain my darling wife would not approve of.


3,212 posted on 08/16/2005 10:58:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

tryin'

this seems to be my "10-year flu"

tried to kill me in '85
made life hell in '94
kicking my ass now.

same symptom set and cascade progression.
this bug, or something like it, is the front runner for what will eventually put me down for the dirtnap.

not yet - not anytime soon, but sooner or later I will get old and feeble, and it WILL kill me.


3,213 posted on 08/16/2005 10:59:03 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Hi Heels

Very cool!!


3,214 posted on 08/16/2005 11:08:55 AM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: All; DAR
Troll alert here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1464472/posts

Post #60

3,215 posted on 08/16/2005 11:19:04 AM PDT by mware (Trollhunter of Note)
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To: Dead Corpse

It's the best I could come up with on short notice...


3,216 posted on 08/16/2005 11:19:17 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face; Hi Heels; Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl; mware; tuliptree76; international american


December 21, 1922 - June 24, 2005

Paul Winchell had a lifetime of achievements however I was most impressed with what he was doing right up until his passing. At 82 Paul was still active and was working on streaming video that would showcase full half hour children shows from the 50's and 60's. Not just his shows, but as many performers as he could get that had wholesome children's programming. He wanted it all to be free to the public.

He knew more about and better understood the technology of the Internet than most people one quarter his age and often compared the spread of broadband to the early days of television when he could judge the spread of television by the number of rooftop antennas. Paul had a dedicated media server that was streaming some of his early work for a while (Paul Winchell Kids Network) but put the project on hold for a year until technology could catch up, broadband had a greater saturation, and he could get the rights for the shows he wanted to broadcast over the Internet.

I will greatly miss my long conversations with him and his desire to push the boundaries of "what's next" rather than living in "what was". As was often the case he was a little ahead of his time.

For recent radio interviews with Paul click here.

Michael Sowers
webmaster


3,217 posted on 08/16/2005 11:26:36 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face
Short notice? Don't worry about the small stuff. There may be those who would think little of you for it, but it'd be a tall order for them to come up with something better. Some folks just can't measure up to the likes of us.
3,218 posted on 08/16/2005 11:33:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Thanks! It's nice to know you think I'm qualified for SOMEthing!
LOL!


How is Ana? Have you taken any piccies lately?


3,219 posted on 08/16/2005 11:35:40 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I tried to snap a few of her. But like most physicists will tell you, it's hard to take a photo of something moving that fast. On the rare occassion she is sitting still, she's gettin' cuter by the day.


3,220 posted on 08/16/2005 11:48:45 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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