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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: SandyInSeattle

It was very tasty, also quick and cheap :-). I've been known to live on toast and cheese for months at a time, but my family isn't that easy to please.


1,541 posted on 08/09/2005 3:42:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Monkey Face

A few large napkins would have the same effect as many small napkins. Or you could skip the napkins and just take a shower and do the laundry after supper :-).


1,542 posted on 08/09/2005 3:43:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: SandyInSeattle; KMB

Thanks!
*wincing*
The zombies sure are doing a number on KMB's...


*to Zombies*
"Hey! Didn't I tll you guys NOT to wear the troll bits? It's unsanitary!"

Sorry about that.


1,543 posted on 08/09/2005 3:45:27 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Tax-chick

"...Or you could skip the napkins and just take a shower and do the laundry after supper :-)."

Now THAT sounds more like me and anything made with pasta...don't know why that is, though...:o|


1,544 posted on 08/09/2005 3:45:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: mware; NicknamedBob
This is a lovely traveling vase. It will do well in the spaceship.


1,545 posted on 08/09/2005 3:46:08 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: OSHA

The potatoes, peppers, and sausage all together?


1,546 posted on 08/09/2005 3:46:24 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Darksheare; SandyInSeattle; Hi Heels

Yep...Hi Heels was right...this looks more like a zombie buffet...no wonder she lost her appetite.


1,547 posted on 08/09/2005 3:47:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: SandyInSeattle

We are going into space????


1,548 posted on 08/09/2005 3:47:19 PM PDT by mware (Now we know why the NYT didn't have time to cover AIR AMERIKA)
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To: tiamat

yeah, new digs... don't ya just love what the King and the RKBA crew did with the place???


1,549 posted on 08/09/2005 3:47:24 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: mware

Soon, so we can get back before I have the baby.


1,550 posted on 08/09/2005 3:47:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: mware

That's the plan! The moon, I think. I'm not sure; I've been missing meetings lately.


1,551 posted on 08/09/2005 3:48:07 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Chode

Still looking.

Heck, I'm still trying to find all of my gear that I had in the OLD place.

You guys didn't eBay it, didja?


1,552 posted on 08/09/2005 3:49:14 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: SandyInSeattle

Make sure we bring the traps for the moon rats. They are vicious you know.


1,553 posted on 08/09/2005 3:49:52 PM PDT by mware (Now we know why the NYT didn't have time to cover AIR AMERIKA)
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To: Monkey Face; NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse; SandyInSeattle
"The slime...he saw us coming in all our Undead Glory and ran like the coward he truly was.

I hope you like the new place. As you can see, NicknamedBob is making some changes (again) but he always manages to do the right thing.

Dead Corpse still hasn't told us what he's building in the blacksmith shop, but we know it will be good."

It's lookin' good in here, guys.

But hey, I hope you decontaminated first.

I'll help out in making sure that you guys don't bring in too many La-Z-Boys and bigscreens. Maybe Sandy will help me. I may need female back-up with that. LOL.

1,554 posted on 08/09/2005 3:51:03 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Miss Behave

I don't know, it's going to be football season here shortly... can we smuggle in one bigscreen? Please?


1,555 posted on 08/09/2005 3:51:56 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: tiamat

Try Goodwill; they probably don't have your things sold, yet. I'm afraid I get an overwhelming urge to give things away when I'm pregnant, and there was no response when I called, "Y'all want all this?".


1,556 posted on 08/09/2005 3:54:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: SandyInSeattle; Miss Behave; Stag

We have a big screen. I think we put it in on the first ZOT! thread, when Stag busted out the wall with Rexxie...don't know where those two have gone, though...we should find a way to thank them...

Anyway, yah...football season is upon us...


1,557 posted on 08/09/2005 3:55:09 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Tax-chick

ROFL!


So how are YOU feeling?

Or are you sick of that question by now?


1,558 posted on 08/09/2005 3:55:48 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: tiamat

I'm okay. Hot, but otherwise fine. I went to the obstetrician today, nice gent, very tall. Heard the baby's heartbeat :-). Next month I'll have an ultrasound, but I'm confident about the early-February date. I've always been right before!


1,559 posted on 08/09/2005 3:58:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: All

Gotta go! I'll catch you all later. Don't feed the zombies.


1,560 posted on 08/09/2005 3:58:21 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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