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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Darksheare; Pippin; King Prout

Not the dreaded, dastardly demon of Darksheare typsos...???

GAH! *thunk*


1,441 posted on 08/09/2005 2:37:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tiamat

Sorry 'bout that tia.
The lag in our old home got too bad, 45 minutes before the posts show..
*YUG!*

So we misappropriated this one.


1,442 posted on 08/09/2005 2:38:42 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: tiamat

We thought we'd left that trail of bread crumbs...

Okay, who ate the bread crumbs?


1,443 posted on 08/09/2005 2:39:28 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Monkey Face; Pippin; King Prout

Yuppers!
It STRUCK and has since run off to some other poor soul who at this moment is trying desperately to figure out what is wrong with their keyboard.
;-)
*chuckle*
Ph34r my M4D Ty9o Sk1llz0rz!


1,444 posted on 08/09/2005 2:40:42 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

The lag WAS bad.

(Part of why I didn't show up much...Heck, I've got broad-band here and it was slow)

Anybody know what was causing that?

(And Hi, DArks!)


1,445 posted on 08/09/2005 2:40:52 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Darksheare

I was wondering why I kept getting pinged to this thread....


1,446 posted on 08/09/2005 2:40:55 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: tiamat

That Marduk guy came by, so we thought it best to not let him know what we were up to and where we were headed...he didn't seem like a pleasant fellow...and he smelled bad...personally, I think he's causing the lag.


1,447 posted on 08/09/2005 2:41:13 PM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: SandyInSeattle; tiamat

*innocent look*


I got the munchies, and started scarfing them down before I rememberd they were electronic.


Of course, zombie see, zombie do.
So they started scarfing them down too.


1,448 posted on 08/09/2005 2:41:53 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: SandyInSeattle

LOL!

That must have been it.


1,449 posted on 08/09/2005 2:42:29 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Hi Heels

Sorry about that!
The lag was truly awful the last day, so we said "Hmm.. this KMB guy looks like he is volunteering himself.."


1,450 posted on 08/09/2005 2:42:58 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare

Ah Ha!

The zombies didn't follow you, did they?


1,451 posted on 08/09/2005 2:43:30 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

Marduk.

Of course.

And no, he's not pleasant.

He's enough to give a gal a splitting headache.

:-)


1,452 posted on 08/09/2005 2:44:25 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: SandyInSeattle
Okay, who ate the bread crumbs?

Miff wavem't me....

1,453 posted on 08/09/2005 2:46:52 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Looks like the dance troupe caught up with us though...


1,454 posted on 08/09/2005 2:48:14 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Must have been ants. Or the Owrk.


1,455 posted on 08/09/2005 2:48:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: tiamat
He didn't look like this...

Did he?

1,456 posted on 08/09/2005 2:49:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse; Darksheare; tiamat
Well, if we're having bread crumbs for lunch, we must also have cheese.


1,457 posted on 08/09/2005 2:49:11 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Dead Corpse; SandyInSeattle

Ny liks r seeld.


1,458 posted on 08/09/2005 2:49:27 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

ERK!

"Okay, who ate the bread crumbs?"

"Ny liks r seeld."









*wake up, 'Face!*


1,459 posted on 08/09/2005 2:51:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Dead Corpse

That's the guy!

:-)


1,460 posted on 08/09/2005 2:51:07 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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