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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

Phoebe and Tomas are less than amused. Tomas has been curious, sniffing and watching, with the occasional hiss. Phoebe is beside herself.

The kittens don't care about the adult cats, they're too busy playing and sleeping (and pooping). Tomas tried to swat Tori last night, and she turned around and smacked him right back. Spunky little thing!


1,341 posted on 08/08/2005 12:03:21 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Monkey Face

Hello.
Storms slowly marching through my area.
Probably can't stay online long.
Not sure how long power will stay on.
Power went off once already.

Hugs and laughs.
I'll be on when I can.


1,342 posted on 08/08/2005 12:08:43 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I love it when they have spunk! It means they are GOOD cats! I bet Thomas was surprised! LOL!

(Yep...I need to see about getting another cat...)


1,343 posted on 08/08/2005 12:12:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

I've been off more than I've been on the last two days. T-storms...more today are forecast. I have no idea how long I will be here.


1,344 posted on 08/08/2005 12:13:37 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

UNNNGH, you too?
A T-storm conspiracy it is!


1,345 posted on 08/08/2005 12:15:53 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Monkey Face

I'd been waiting since Tigger died for the perfect kittens. I wanted a pair of girls, with neat markings and lots of personality.

When I saw these girls at the vet it was a done deal. There were three kittens and mama, who was spoken for. I hope the last kitten went with her also. A fourth kitten had already gone.

They're running me ragged, though. :-)


1,346 posted on 08/08/2005 12:29:56 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Darksheare

These are the yearly "monsoons" and only last 3-6 weeks before we're back to the dry weather again. They are an inconvenience. But they deliver the 12" of rain a year that Tucson needs, so I won't complain too much.

(Yah. Right. }:o[ )


1,347 posted on 08/08/2005 12:31:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I will say "UNNNGH!" to the T-storms hitting both our areas!
And an "UNNNGH!" to the NOAA guy who said the one in my area would be over with by now.


1,348 posted on 08/08/2005 12:33:58 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Looks like you got the perfect pair! I will have to check for a cat...I don't think Hobbes would tolerate a kitten...she is too...aloof and stately. And all business.


1,349 posted on 08/08/2005 12:33:58 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darksheare

Works for ME!

I hate the storms, actually, but I knew they were a part of Tucson before I moved here, so I have to take the bitter with the sweet. At least they won't be here for much longer.

Perhaps the guy from NOAA should move elsewhere, since the weather there doesn't agree with him...


1,350 posted on 08/08/2005 12:36:03 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

LOL!


1,351 posted on 08/08/2005 12:37:06 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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To: Darksheare
The horror of it all.... Requires Quicktime.

As a Ren Fest geek myself, the nerds on display in that clip are kinda embarrassing.

1,352 posted on 08/08/2005 2:07:55 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

"Could you repeat that?

I don't think I caught all of the subtle nuances."

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1,353 posted on 08/08/2005 2:22:35 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Bertie Ahern, wake up! YOUR HARBORING TERRORISTS!!! YOU KNOW WHAT MEANS (hint: Afghanistan)!!!!!!)
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To: SandyInSeattle; All

Hello everybody....

Sandy, It's so nice of you to offer your very own ankle biters to roam the castle for mice. What kind of kittens are they?

We should leave a bit of milk in the kitchen for them, eh?

:-)


1,354 posted on 08/08/2005 3:09:33 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

See post 1336! I also just put them on my profile page. They are adorable, if I do say so myself. :-)


1,355 posted on 08/08/2005 3:13:36 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

And so do I!


1,356 posted on 08/08/2005 3:42:37 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

Hey! I just downloaded a photo of a big tower clock with fireworks behind it for Canada Day...what would that clock/tower be?

It was pretty, so I took it...;o]


1,357 posted on 08/08/2005 3:44:01 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: All
New quiz: Christian Traditions Selector (Non-Christians need not take the quiz, I guess).

Rank

Item Percent
1: Anglican/Episcopal/Church of England  (100%)
2: Eastern Orthodox  (98%)
3: Lutheran  (96%)
4: Roman Catholic  (94%)
5: Presbyterian/Reformed  (85%)
6: Congregational/United Church of Christ  (68%)
7: Baptist (Reformed/Particular/Calvinistic)  (43%)
8: Church of Christ/Campbellite  (40%)
9: Pentecostal/Charismatic/Assemblies of God  (38%)
10: Anabaptist (Mennonite/Quaker etc.)  (36%)
11: Baptist (non-Calvinistic)/Plymouth Brethren/Fundamentalist  (35%)
12: Methodist/Wesleyan/Nazarene  (29%)
13: Seventh-Day Adventist  (28%)
1,358 posted on 08/08/2005 5:41:42 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: All
..and The Country Quiz.
1,359 posted on 08/08/2005 5:49:07 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well.. the foam monster thingy was cool..
*Sound of mind shattering*


1,360 posted on 08/08/2005 6:00:01 PM PDT by Darksheare ("Just because I have a paper heart, doesn't mean tearing it is okay." -The man with the candy face)
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