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1 posted on 03/07/2005 10:19:19 AM PST by crushkerry
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2 posted on 03/07/2005 10:19:46 AM PST by crushkerry (Visit www.anklebitingpundits.com for great original conservative commentary)
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The GOP is not smart enough to figure out the obvious solution to this problem, i.e. mandatory retirement accounts. Tell people they've gotta save say 5% of their income in a Roth-like IRA, so that if social security goes bust, they will have an alternative source of funds. Over time, the voters will figure out that these mandatory private accounts are a safer place to put their money than the social security trust fund, and they will demand that Congress divert more of their social security contributions to these mandatory accounts.


3 posted on 03/07/2005 10:23:06 AM PST by Brilliant
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4 posted on 03/07/2005 10:27:57 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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NO to raising the retirement age! If we don't stop that option now, we will never be able to retire.

It is easy for a Congressperson to work until they are 80 since they have tax-paid staffers to do everything for them. How about no pay raises for Congress until SS is secure?


5 posted on 03/07/2005 10:31:18 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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If you were born on or after 1960, your retirement age has already been raised to 67. This is effectively a benefit cut. Also, anyone born on or after 1960 has already had their taxes doubled for their entire working life. Carter and Clinton both passed huge ss tax increases. So those of us born after 1960 have already had our benefits cut and our taxes hiked. Any new cuts should be only AND I MEAN ONLY on those born before 1960. Figure it out somehow. The oldsters are spending our money. Let us choose to put our money in personal savings accounts, and no one from here on out should be getting any ss money unless they have the same rules that we have, retroactive taxes due and reduced benefits to reflect increased retirement age. Finally, consider this, without personal accounts, every few years congress inches up our retirement age and raises taxes to "fix" social security. By the time we get to be 65, retirement age will be 75 and we will be paying 50% of our income to social security.


7 posted on 03/07/2005 10:36:54 AM PST by sportutegrl
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As much as it pains me to say this, I actually like Hagel's plan as outlined here. The personal accounts idea really resonates strongly with the younger crowd (myself included), so lowering the eligible age to 45 doesn't really hurt the plan that much, and even raising the retirement age isn't that big of a deal if the retirement accounts can be passed on as inheritable assets. That might be an acceptable trade-off to "pay for" the transition costs.

It won't be exactly what the President suggested, but it still falls within his basic parameters. Win-win, if this means actually getting reform through. Once the idea is firmly planted and is "in production", changing it to be a more aggressive replacement is much easier. Getting that "foot in the door", so to speak, is the harder and more important part.

9 posted on 03/07/2005 10:40:29 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: crushkerry

They ought to eliminate the partial benefit available at 62. Virtually everyone is taking SS at 62.


10 posted on 03/07/2005 10:43:10 AM PST by tom paine 2
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An election comes up, and suddenly Hagel turns reasonable. LOL

They are right in giving him credit. I am loathe to praise him for anything but this is the first reasonable plan put out by a Senator. Similiar to the President's proposal critiqued in a way that might see more movement in the Senate. That is if the Rep Senators will get onboard instead of cowering in the background.


17 posted on 03/07/2005 11:08:04 AM PST by Soul Seeker
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20 posted on 03/07/2005 11:29:06 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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Isn't chucky a democrat? Either way why is there a rino as the senator for nebraska? we could easly run another tom coburn like in Oklahoma and win.


22 posted on 03/07/2005 11:34:36 AM PST by DixieOklahoma ("Two blue cows and a dose of Ramma Damma Ding Dong"- Jefferson Davis)
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Raising the retirement age to 68 will be a cut of $43,200 because those paying in will forfeit 36 monthly payments. In fact, some will not collect at all because fewer payers will live to 68 than were living at 65. I hope Sen. Hagel will explain that to those who have been paying in since they were 16 or 18.


23 posted on 03/07/2005 11:35:32 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Hagel should have the guts to go ahead and make it official and change his affiliation to the Democrat party. We don't need RINO's like him. He is an embarassment to Nebraska.


46 posted on 03/08/2005 5:17:39 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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