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To: strategofr; Destro; MarMema; A. Pole; GarySpFc; Lion in Winter
evidence that Russian gift controls Cherlyn rebels, maybe a Queda too 2/12/2005 2:08:08 PM

Yes, it's all part of their dastardly conspiracy theory to have their arses kicked in '96. Hell they even thought up of the whole Wahhabi thing, 300 years ago, so that they, as junior members of the Zionist Conspiracy, and full members of the Illuminati kid's table, could make themselves look innocent later on when they took their wahhabi creation into Russia to wage a fake jihad.

You see, the only real jihad is the one that hit us on 911, all others are just wanna be jihads, pay no attention to them.

Yup, they set up Chechinya so that they would have some place to throw away a couple of hundred million bucks, being the billionaires they are. And it does so much good to show the world the state of the present Russian military. Yup, just a conspiracy theory, that's all and those poor loving and trusting Chechin goat vikers..er herders, were conned into it. Hell, they're not even Islamic but Buddist.


75 posted on 02/22/2005 7:55:16 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
Yup, they set up Chechinya so that

Ok now tell the truth!! They chose Ikcheria for the beaches and excellent accomodations.


Northern Chechen beach area


Eastern Chechen island tourist area

76 posted on 02/22/2005 8:03:35 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: jb6

I do not believe that the Russians have "faked" the Chechnya rebellion. Only some (or all) of the terrorism.


86 posted on 02/22/2005 9:20:17 PM PST by strategofr
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In addition, while the Wahibi thing has indeed been around a very long time, as you say (Saudi Arabia was, in effect, founded when a not particularly important shiek named Saud got together with a cleric named Wahibi, that's pretty inherent in the Saudi system), it has not been virulently and violently anti-American until the breakup of the Soviet Union.

In addition, the Soviets did indeed hijack many aspects of Muslim fundamentalism. Here is a cut and paste from a Front Page (David Horowitz's web page. I think some of the posters here remember him from when he co-edited Ramparts). The statement is by Ion Pacepa. He wsa the head of the Romanian KGB until he defected in 1978.



http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15952

"I believe that the most important thing in a war is to know your enemy. Today’s terrorism is a 21st century variation of the old anti-Semitism, that weapon of the emotions wielded by so many tyrants over the centuries.
History always repeats itself, and if you can live two lives, you have an even greater chance of seeing that repetition with your own eyes. During the last six years of my other life, as a Romanian intelligence general, the main task of the Soviet bloc espionage community was to transform Yasser Arafat’s war against Israel and its main supporter, the United States, into an armed doctrine of the whole Islamic world. America was our main enemy, and a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on it than could a mere one million. Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. Our task was to convert its historical hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States, by portraying this land of freedom as an “imperial Zionist country” financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious “Council of the Elders of Zion,” the Kremlin’s epithet for the US Congress.
According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch. Terrorism and violence against America would flow naturally from their religious fervor. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a “Zionist country” bankrolled by rich Jews. Islam was obsessed with preventing the infidel’s occupation of its territory, and it would be highly receptive to our dogma that American imperialism wanted to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom.
Before I left Romania for good, in 1978, the Soviet bloc intelligence community flooded the Islamic world with Arabic translations of an old Russian, forged, anti-Semitic tract entitled Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with “documentary” materials, also in Arabic, “proving” that the United States was a Zionist country governed by Jewish money, whose aim was to extend its domination over the rest of the world. We also infiltrated the Islamic world with thousands of Soviet bloc Islamic citizens recruited as intelligence agents and tasked to implant there a rabid, demented hatred for American Zionism. They were to portray everybody and everything in America as being subordinated to Jewish interests: the leaders, the government, the political parties, the most prominent personalities—and even American history. Most of these agents were religious servants, engineers, medical doctors or teachers, and they had excellent credibility.
Although we now live in an age of technology, we still do not have an instrument that can scientifically measure the results of a sustained influence operation. Nevertheless, it is safe to presume that over the course of the further twenty-plus years—until the Soviet Union buckled—the combination between spreading hundreds of thousands of Protocols within the Islamic world and portraying the United States there as a criminal Zionist instrument should have left some trace. The hijacked airplane was launched into the world of contemporary terrorism by the KGB and its puppet Yasser Arafat, and it is significant that this became the weapon of choice for September 11, 2001.
The United States won the Cold War on the 9th of November in 1989, when the Berlin Wall collapsed and the downtrodden people kept hostage inside the Soviet bloc woke up to claim freedom as their own God-given right. We in the West succeeded, because we united the free world against evil, and because we ensured that our side was armed with overwhelming military potential.
We can conquer terrorism if we can make the people of the Islamic world realize that democracy, not anti-Semitism, will give them a better life. Re-civilizing Iraq will be crucial toward that...

...My generation is still grateful to America’s leaders of the World War II era who, instead of containing Hitler, destroyed his regime and rebuilt Western Europe—and Japan—with strong democracies. This American determination changed the face of the world and brought about an unprecedented period of peace. Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi stated during a 2003 visit to Washington: “Every time I see the U.S. flag, I don’t see the flag only as representative of a country, but I see it as a symbol of democracy and of freedom.”
Now America is also in a position to help the Islamic world normalize its society. In order to do that, we should get rid of the Hitlers of the Arab and Islamic world, and help their downtrodden slaves see the light of democracy—Arafat’s death can only move this process forward. Our recent elections overwhelmingly showed that Americans are ready. Let’s forget “sensitive” wars—like the one in Vietnam, where we lost over 50,000 soldiers and a good part of America’s international prestige. Let’s return to the traditions of Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, who accepted nothing short of unconditional surrender from our enemies. Let’s try to make Iraq into a kind of Germany of the Islamic world."


90 posted on 02/22/2005 9:26:44 PM PST by strategofr
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