Posted on 10/07/2004 10:39:13 AM PDT by skellmeyer
If you think he is competent to understand and explain Scripture, then I will apologize. Of course, you will have to become Catholic, because if you say he is competent, then you admit that the Catholic Church is true and you are only staying out of it because you have some irrational problem with it.
So, make up your mind - either you admit that he is not competent and that I correctly called it or you admit that he is competent and you are wrong to stay out of the Catholic Church.
Which is it, my friend?
What's wrong with promoting right-thinking? That's the whole purpose of FR, correct?
Liberals hate watching successful conservatives be successful. You hate reading me. Hmmm...
Liberals also never admit they have made a mistake.
6 states and 12 lectures in a year doesn't exactly constitute a full schedule nor nationwide. I will leave it up to the moderators as to whether or not FR is going to be a place for people like you to sell their wares.
I'll ask it again so's you can answer it. Is Monsignor Daley competent in understanding and explaining Scripture? Tell me if he is, in your humble opinion, competent in Scripture, BoilerPlate. Is he?
BTW, it's darned nice of you to leave it up to FR and the moderator. I bet they are just tickled pink that you were kind enough to allow them to make the decision. I know I would be if I was in their position. Your generosity marks you as a really decent guy.
The fact that you refuse to admit you mistake is nothing short of bizarre. Again it says a lot about you and if you think I would ever PAY ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY to hear more from you, you are simply out of your shiny little head.
If you think Msgr. Daley is competent in his understanding of Scripture and is competent to explain Scripture correctly, then why is he a Catholic priest? You said Catholic Faith is not in accordance with the Word of God. Now - by claiming a Catholic priest is competent - you say it *IS* in accordance with the Word of God. Which is it?
Further, if he is competent to explain Scripture correctly, why don't you listen to his Scriptural explanations of Catholic Faith and follow what he teaches? Aren't you supposed to follow competent teachers? Seems to me Scripture says you are to obey the elders, because they keep watch over your soul (Heb 13:17). That idea even fits on the back of a matchbook cover, so you really have no reason not to re-join the Catholic Church.
BoilerPlate, you have way too many inconsistencies in your story. God is not a god of confusion. You have to get these ideas straightened out in your head.
Not really. The 'church' didn't have the concept of the rapture until recently and large portions of scripture were not understandable at all until recent times. The vast majority of end-times scriptures wouldn't make sense to someone in 400AD since none of the technologies that make these events possible existed back then.
I find no scriptural proof that God demands every marital act to result in children. You may interpret it differently but that's your choice.
I'm on to other topics. God Bless.
I must admit, you got me here. I've discussed Christian faith on-line since 1991, and I've never heard this line of reasoning. So, Christ's second coming is not dependent on rebuilding the Temple or the adherence of the Jews to Christian faith, rather, it depends on whether or not Bill Gates gets computers into every home?!?!? This new learning amazes me. Tell me again how we know the earth is banana-shaped.
Has it ever occurred to you that acceptance of both the Rapture and contraception is new to Christian Faith precisely because they are both HERESIES, ideas which Jesus and His apostles NEVER taught because the ideas embodied therein are WRONG? Whatever happened to holding fast to the traditions that were handed down to you, either by word of mouth or by letter? Paul nowhere says that innovations are good things. In fact, he seems to be dead-set against them.
I find no scriptural proof that God demands every marital act to result in children.
Well, neither do I. But since no one says that every marital act has to result in children, I don't know why you are looking for Scriptural evidence towards the proposition.
1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
Bye.
Amazing...
Rev 11:3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Now how would the whole earth see the two witnesses lying dead in Jerusalem for three days in 1900? They couldn't. The technology didn't exist. Only recently is this possible.
(as an example. There's much more but it's getting way off topic)
But since no one says that every marital act has to result in children, I don't know why you are looking for Scriptural evidence towards the proposition.
So since every marital act does not have to result in children then some form of performing marital acts without having children is OK. And since some form is ok then any form that does not kill the child is ok since the marriage bed is undefiled. (that is, you can prevent the egg and sperm from uniting but once they unite you cannot stop the pregnancy)
Non-abortificient forms of contraception are perfectly ok
Well, no. You see, God made men always fertile, but made women so that they are fertile only for a few hours a month - 24 to be exact. So, given that God's first words to man in the GArden, God's first words to man after the flood, God's words to His covenanted people were to be fruitful and multiply, any direct assault on fertility is a violation of divine command. Having relations during the periods of infertility that God grants is fine, but deliberating rendering fertile periods infertile is absolutely wrong.
Again, I would agree with you if you can find as much as one Christian prior to 1900 who thought contraception was alright. You can't. Contraception was only accepted by Christians because Christians accepted Darwinism. Contraception is the means by which social Darwinists mean to impose eugenics on the world. I've long found it humorous that the very people who insist on literal readings of Genesis 1 and 2 will do so while they are living out Darwinist theory in their own bodies and their own beds.
But that's protestant Christianity for you - no logical form or force. Reason is the whore of the devil and all that.
Good verse - would God make church leaders have one wife, while everyone else is free to marry whomever they like? One man, one woman, as it was in the beginning - that's God's way.
Boilerplate, the man is incompetent if he can't defend the Catholic Faith from Scripture because the Catholic Faith is nothing BUT God's Word - it is oral and written tradition, just as Paul said to the Thessalonians.
Now, I am, as I said, more than willing to apologize if you are willing to be instructed in the faith by Msgr. Daley, make a good confession and come back into the Church. That is, I will apologize for mis-stating the facts about him as long as you recognize his competency in Scripture by listening to what he has to say about the truths of the Catholic Faith and acting on the truth he witnesses by re-entering the Church. However, if you are NOT willing to acknowledge his competency by listening to him and obeying him, then I have not mis-stated the facts. He is incompetent, and I have you as a witness to the truth of the statement.
Which will it be? Is your friend incompetent or not?
Likewise no early Christians knew about the rapture. But scripture plainly says we'll meet Jesus in the air and that we'll be spared from the wrath of God (which is poured out on the earth during the tribulation)
I don't accept darwinism. I do however accept the fact that God gave man free will to have children when he wanted to. The command to mankind in the persons of Adam and Eve was to be fruitful and multiply and subdue the earth. Have we not been fruitful? 6 billion people is pretty fruitful. Of course we are still working on subduing the earth but once we get rid of the environmentalists we'll accomplish that too
As for Darwinian eugenics, if you use contraception, you not only believe it, you live it.
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