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Republicans Against George Bush
Personal Creation | 1/21/04 | Manny Paulet

Posted on 01/21/2004 9:58:05 AM PST by MannyP

REPUBLICANS AGAINST GEORGE BUSH

1. Who are we? We are Americans. We believe in small government, America first, the Constitution, the rule of law, secure borders and competitive capitalism that favor the needs of the average American over the rest of the world.

2. Why are we against President Bush? Chairman of the GOP Gillespie has stated that the GOP does not stand for limited or smaller government and President Bush is acting accordingly. Cutting taxes is a good thing, but not when cutting a single program or entitlement hasn't even been proposed. The opposite is true. New or expanded programs are constantly being proposed by the Bush administration. Since the advent of the Bush administration, government has become a larger and even more intrusive force in our lives. In addition, continued free trade overtures threaten to destroy the economic viability of the average citizen of the United States.

3. What do we want? We want likeminded Americans to vote for the Reform Party candidate for President of the United States and for Republicans in the congressional races? We think that enough people voting for the Reform Party in the presidential election, and doing so publicly AS REPUBLICANS, should cause President Bush to lose. This in turn should create a demand within our party for a President more in line with our principles. If we do this, we must make sure that OUR Republican party hears our message. This makes it twice as important to get every Republican voter that we can get publicly behind this. They must not stay at home for the election. I hope to be able to point to the numbers of people who vote for the Reform Party candidate and tell our Republican leadership that we are the party of small limited government, strong national defense, individual rights, a rule of law and sound economic policies.

4. Do we mean for the Reform Party candidate to win? This is not a goal of this group. We want to create a public demand for a small government GOP without leaving the party.

5. Does this mean that we approve of Dean or any of the other Democratic nominees? No! We explicitly reject the Socialist /Democrat party and think that their actions are causing the decline of this great nation. It is because our beloved GOP is becoming indistinguishable from the Democrats in other than foreign relations arenas that we are undertaking this action.

6. Are there any up-sides to this action in the 2004 election? It is likely that there are many Republicans that are disillusioned with the current administration and Jim Gillespie’s leadership. The likely result is that many will stay home. This could cost us seats and/or control of the House or Senate. If enough people turn out to register this protest vote, we could increase our majority.

7. Do we have any specific long term goals? If President Bush loses due to our efforts, it is our hope that our party leadership will enact a platform more in line with our traditional Republican principles. The next candidate should also be more concerned with sound domestic policies.

8. How many people would it take to accomplish our objective? According to recent election results, a few thousand in just a few states could change the result of a presidential election.

9. What happens if we do not succeed? If Bush wins in 2004, after eight years of growing government and spending, the average Republican will be dispirited and stay away from the polls just like what happened to his father. Also, the people will be tired of a war on terrorism that can’t end and the strength of foreign policy will not sustain the next candidate either. (Remember; “Its the economy stupid” ?) Facing increasing debt, a lack of meaningful employment, and a dispirited/divided Republican Party, Hillary/Bayh will likely be elected. Strengthened by eight years in opposition, the Democrats will be united and will show up to the polls for Hillary/Bayh. To those who claim that it can't happen, I would refer you to those of us who said Bill would never get elected or reelected and those who said that New York would never elect Hillary. Does it still seem so far fetched? How many Republicans have you met who are really excited about the direction of Bush's domestic policy?

10. What’s in it for R.A.G. BUSH? When we pledge allegiance to the “Republic”, we do so not to any politician or party, but rather to the republican system of limited government set up in the Constitution. We consider socialism and tyranny in all of its forms an enemy to be conquered and not one to compromise with. We get to do something to try to keep freedoms lamp lit in America. We want our children to know the greatness of the United States, not experience its decline. Enough people talk about all the things that are wrong, let’s do something. In 2008, we want to help elect a strong Republican president who stands for the things that we value and who will face the ineptitude of one of the eight candidates that are currently contesting the Democratic nomination. We have faith in our fellow Americans. If our purpose is righteous and Americans united, who can stand in our way?

"This idea that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves. You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path." Reagan (1964)


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To: MannyP
The title of your thread needs to be changed because it is MISLEADING at best and actually DISHONEST. This is not the "Personal Creation" of a REPUBLICAN. It's the rant of a self-proclaimed* Libertarian Randite who wants others to join in his efforts to cause President Bush to LOSE the 2004 election.

*From your "Capitalism and Communism Are The Same (Repost) My Own Thoughts | 5/27/03 | MannyP" thread: Email me with comments at MPaulet@aol.com PS- I am a Conservative Libertarian.
121 posted on 01/26/2004 9:30:31 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina
Philosophically, I am a conservative libertarian. I am however a member of the Republican Party, Young Republicans, and have either voted for or campaigned for Republican candidates all my life. I am a Reagan Republican.
Ayn Rand wrote a great book in Atlas Shrugged. She did it so well that it not only points out the flaws in socialism, it exposes the flaws in objectivism quite well. Just as in communism, her system begins with the statement, "If only men...."
The greateness of the American system is that it takes one of men's greatest weaknesses, greed, and turns it into a strength. However, as De Tocqueville predicted, the American Republic can survive only until Congress bribes the people with its own wealth.
You are right about one thing. I do mean to cause President Bush to lose this next election.
122 posted on 01/27/2004 4:33:44 AM PST by MannyP
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To: lbertarianatheist
Could you support the Reform Party instead? Check out www.ragbush.com
128 posted on 01/27/2004 8:12:00 PM PST by MannyP
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To: Anubus
Central control over education or anything else does not work i.e. is not as efficient as local control. Mainly, it provides jobs to a bunch more government workers. The prescription drug thing was not even being lobbied for by the senior citizens that were its major beneficiaries. It is plain pandering. However, the really wrong thing is that government programs once created are never eliminated. As Reagan said, they are the closest thing to eternal life that we will see on Earth.
Serving two terms is not the norm, but the exception. It is highly unlikely that any of the Dems currently running would serve two terms. They have not one tenth the ruthlessness, facility with lying or charisma of Slick Willy. Hilalry will be 65 by the time the 2012 election rolls around. If she does not run in 2008, she will not run ever. Therefore, if Bush loses Hillary never runs. If it pulls our party in a more Reaganesque direction, I am all for having four bad years witha socialist rather than four more years of semi-socialism by someone in my party.
Even if your unlikely scenario is right and he is waiting for the second term to really get conservative, it is unlikely that any new entitlements would go away. Not only that, but it would virtually guarantee that Hillary would become president in 2008. That is something that I cannot abide.
You say that we are a rich country. How many well paying jobs have disappeared in the last 15 years never to return for average Americans? About 5% of the population is doing well and supporting the rest with taxes paid on their earnings. The rest of our population through globalization have become a non-scarce and therefore economically valueless resource. That particular point made me choose the Reform Party over the Libertarian Party to throw my support behind.
132 posted on 01/28/2004 7:28:57 AM PST by MannyP
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To: Anubus
OK, but here's the thing. The base is dispirited. They will likely stay at home anyway. That could cost us a lot more than the Presidency. It could cost us control of congress. That we must keep at all costs. That is why I'm asking people who agree with me to make sure and get out and vote Republican for congress. Not that many congressmen with fires in their bellies are left from the 1994 Republican revolution. If people join me in opposing Bush and get out and vote instead of staying at home we could keep and maybe even increase our majority. That same congressional majority should be able to stop any real crazinesss by a Dem president.
I agree that we are a divided people with half of them ready to blame America for anything. But, I think that if we believe in our system and get another leader, another Reagan type to run, it could mend lots of things. Reagan's greatest gift was that he believed in the system and in the American people. His unwavering career of over 40 years of beating the drum of freedom was an inspiration to all. Reagan united us. All of his career, people were telling to be more moderate or to be satisfyed with less. Reagan never caved regardless of which way the political winds were blowing. Even his harshest critics would agree that he never pandered to the people, but acted on his firm convictions.
Limbaugh has even described many of Bush's maneuvers to curry favor as Clintonesque. Bush may indeed be a good political tactician, but the people need a leader. Bush is not him.
134 posted on 01/28/2004 10:49:46 AM PST by MannyP
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To: ConservaChick
(and really Bush has dome a LOT that is great)

I can't think of anything off hand...enlighten me.
136 posted on 01/28/2004 12:06:25 PM PST by toosmalltobeconsideredaman
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To: OPS4
"....back GW Bush to the hilt...."

Careful how you word that. It sounds kinda, well you know.

137 posted on 01/28/2004 12:22:13 PM PST by GigaDittos (Bumper sticker: "Vote Democrat, it's easier than getting a job.")
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To: Anubus
What makes you think that he would have any better luck with a Supreme Court judge than he has had with lower level judges like Estrada? Yes, if electing Bush would guarantee me good Supremes that followed the law instead of inventing it, I too would think it was worth it. However, I see that as not very likely. With us in control of congress, theoretically we should be able to keep any wanna be Platonic guardians off of the Supreme Court.
138 posted on 01/28/2004 12:23:55 PM PST by MannyP
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To: BigSkyFreeper
As much as I hate ad hominem reply, this is simply moronic, sounding like the ranting and raving of a 18th/19th century Luddite at the blossoming industrial age.

1. Congress appropriates. If you truly want less government, make that clear to your congressman that you want to see less spending. And remember, less spending begins at home. Tell your congressman no pork in your neighborhood. Bet you haven't got enough guts to do this.

2. Trade restriction had some potential for local economic benefit back in the days when information flowed on quill scribed pages that moved between continents by horse or sailing ship. In a world of near instant and incredibly cheap information flow, trade restriction is a guarantee of backwardness and economic failure. This is an irretrievable consequence of the information age. And the only way alternative is a declining third world economy.

Learn to compete and accept the fact that manufacturing is going to be done where labor is cheapest, taking into account the cost of transporting raw materials to their point of use and the finished goods to their point of market. If your living is earned by sweat, don't expect to be paid more here than anyplace else unless your sweat delivers a local service.

3. If you are against immigration and the Bush "guest worker" program, then you should recognize that it is impossible to stop illegal immigration and that so long as our borders represent a line of profound economic demarcation, the flood will continue. Absolutely the best thing that could happen for American jobs and American well being is for the economy of our immediate neighbors to improve. Then free trade is truly bilateral trade and immigration will slow. Alternatively, you can minimize the profundity of economic demarcation by driving our own economy into this cellar. This is the ordained outcome should the latter day anti-free-trade, anti-immigration, America-first, Luddites somehow gain power.

The Bush programs recognize these realities. Unfortunately, the Pat Buchanan, America-First, Republicans are as ignorant on these matters as your average labor union member/blue collar democrat.

4. Labor is always necessary. But until there is much nearer economic parity between say Mexico and the US, US wages for unskilled and semiskilled work will move in the direction of the Mexican norm. If we allow wages to freely float, they will decline, but jobs will stay in America. If we hold the wages artificially high (by means of legislation), jobs will leave. No rational person would predict equilibrium sooner that 20 or 30 years.

In the mean time, assuming Gimmecrats don't gain power and crush our economy forever, those who are smart, hardworking, and well educated will competitively prosper. The Gimmecrats call this the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and blame the plight of the poor on the rich instead of the information age. But the reality is that the next 20 to 30 years will indeed be rocky with uncertain outcome.

Republicans ought to clearly recognize the truism that 1/2 he people in America have below average IQ's, the future of the not too bright is not too bright, especially given a garden variety public school education, and that the Gimmecrats are clearly targeting the not too bright as their constituency. And since being reasonably bright is hardly a guarantee against being gullible, they can appeal to a few of the smart ones too. We need a positive answer here folks. The answer of the Gimmecrats is that those of us who are smart, well-educated and work hard pay for the rest. But if we do by virtue of wealth transfer, we become totally non-competitive as a nation and move down toward Mexico rather than bringing Mexico upward to US.
140 posted on 01/28/2004 3:30:13 PM PST by wow
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