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Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name
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| September 29, 2003
| Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
Posted on 09/29/2003 7:09:06 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I really don't care much for the way nonbelievers are treated here. They seem to be looked down on like a college professor looks down on a janitorHopefully, it's just a very vocal minority that are responsible, and not the general consensus amongst "Believers"...although I do wonder. There seems to be an awful lot of hostility between various Christian sects.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:09:03 AM PDT
by
Aracelis
To: DittoJed2
Thanks for the post. I thought atheists already had another name out there. . . freethinkers.
Sad that these folk hunger for power and influence. Envy perhaps?
Contrast this with the true practicing Christ Follower, who is blessed hungering and thirsting for righteousness. Healed and healthy relationships. Fairness and justice for not just the powerful, but the powerless.
But, as Bob Dylan has said, you gotta serve somebody. . .
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:14:14 AM PDT
by
AVNative
To: DittoJed2
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'." Now there's an appropriate name for them!
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:16:37 AM PDT
by
mollynme
(cogito, ergo freepum)
To: exmarine
they are the ENEMYIs it ok then to just kill them all, thereby proving yours is a religion of peace too?
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:17:33 AM PDT
by
ASA Vet
(Citizens have the government they deserve.)
To: Motherbear
What's Luther have to do with this article?
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:17:36 AM PDT
by
DittoJed2
(Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
To: DittoJed2
Understand that this is not "atheists" in general, but members of Dr. Paul Kurtz's "Humanist Manifesto" outfit. There is more to this than mere unbelievers doing a bit of PR.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:21:23 AM PDT
by
Salman
(Mickey Akbar)
To: exmarine
An atheist has not God, therefore, no moral compass... Then what you are saying is your morality is based on your belief in God and, presumably, in a reward/punishment system. What keeps you moral is your love of God/fear of punishment. What you fail to see is that morality can be self rewarding.Life is much more rewarding and enjoyable when one has morals.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:21:42 AM PDT
by
PaulJ
To: exmarine
That's what they've been doing for 100 years! An atheist has not God, therefore, no moral compass, therefore, no value of truth (some don't even believe in truth), and thus, feel no obligation to tell the truth or be honest. They are liars, obfuscators, revisionists, anti-Christian bigots, and they are the ENEMY of freedom. Atheism fosters dictatorships. Atheism is un-American. They are moral relativists, accountable to no one but their own twisted machiavellian consciences. May the non-specific deity of your choice bless you, and lift this horrible weight of bitterness from your heart.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:22:55 AM PDT
by
OWK
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To: OWK
I look around the world and see dozens of cultures claiming everything from blue-elephant-headed creatures, to invisible cloud-walking bearded guys, as the ultimate authors of the universe. Each claims their own as undeniable truth, while rejecting all others.I see no reason to accept any of these explanations
It is a huge misunderstanding to take religion as an explanation of the universe as if it were an alternative to scientific knowledge.
Human beings are wired to be a part of. We exist to dedicate ourselves to good. Good is a covenant with the dead, the living, and the unborn. A person finds peace by aligning himself with the good. Organized religion exists to facilitate these processes. (In my opinion.)
To: PaulJ
Then what you are saying is your morality is based on your belief in God and, presumably, in a reward/punishment system. What keeps you moral is your love of God/fear of punishment. What you fail to see is that morality can be self rewarding.Life is much more rewarding and enjoyable when one has morals.
Your morality is subjective, based upon subjective human beings - much more shaky than a morality based upon an unchanging God.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:23:11 AM PDT
by
DittoJed2
(Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
To: OWK
My dictionary defines "atheist" as one who DENIES the existence of God. As you have described yourself, it appears you are an agnostic: one who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. Someone who DENIES the existence of God strikes me as dogmatic, no matter how politely s/he articulates this position with those who may disagree. To be certain God DOESN'T exist is as dogmatic as believe s/he/it DOES exist. My position is like yours: I myself haven't seen convincing evidence but I do not rule out the possibility of encountering evidence in the future I find persuasive.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:23:30 AM PDT
by
DrC
(DrC)
To: OWK
Particularly among those who actually follow (as opposed to paying lip-service to) the teachings of the Nazarene. Those who truly comprehend and follow the teachings tend to be at peace with themselves and with the world. I call many of them friends, and count myself lucky to know them. Are you an Atheist for Jesus? :o)
Why don't they just use "secular humanist"? Too long? "Humanist" certainly sounds better than "bright".
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:24:39 AM PDT
by
malakhi
(Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
To: TrappedInLiberalHell
But I'd just be bandwagon-jumping if I pretended to believe, and I would know I was lying to myself. I'd be a CINO (Christian in name only). Good for you. I respect that.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:26:03 AM PDT
by
malakhi
(Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
To: DrC
My dictionary defines "atheist" as one who DENIES the existence of God. As you have described yourself, it appears you are an agnostic: one who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. A = not
theistic = believer in god.
atheistic = not a believer in god.
I find all the semantic quibbling over the issue, (on both sides) to be somewhat ridiculous.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:27:05 AM PDT
by
OWK
To: DittoJed2
Your morality is subjective, based upon subjective human beings - much more shaky than a morality based upon an unchanging God. An unchanging God who prohibits murder, while at the same time ordering it of those who worship him?
(Joshua slit many a baby's throat, because God told him to..)
Or so the Old Testament states.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:29:15 AM PDT
by
OWK
To: DittoJed2
But that morality of the unchanging God is interprted by human beings; hence the ever changing moral codes we humans have lived by.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:29:25 AM PDT
by
PaulJ
To: DittoJed2
But that morality of the unchanging God is interprted by human beings; hence the ever changing moral codes we humans have lived by.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:29:25 AM PDT
by
PaulJ
To: DittoJed2
That's just silly. I am an atheist, and that describes exactly my views regarding deities and other supernatural entities. The prefix a- means "without." A theist is someone who believes in the existence of one or more deities.
I am without deities, so I am an atheist. It's very simple.
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:30:21 AM PDT
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
To: Motherbear
LOL!
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posted on
09/29/2003 8:31:42 AM PDT
by
DittoJed2
(Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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