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Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblogs/mohler/ ^ | September 29, 2003 | Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr.

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:09:06 AM PDT by DittoJed2


Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name
Albert Mohler

Daniel Dennett claims that atheism is getting a bad press. The world is filled with religious believers, he acknowledges, but a growing number of atheists lack the respect they deserve. It's time for a new public relations strategy for the godless, Dennett argues, and he has just the plan.

The central point of Dennett's strategy is to get rid of the word "atheist." It's too, well, negative. After all, it identifies an individual by what he or she does not believe--in this case the individual does not believe in God. A more positive approach would be helpful to advance the atheist anti-supernatural agenda.

Dennett, joined by Richard Dawkins, thinks he has found the perfect plan. Two atheists in California have suggested that the anti-supernatural crowd should take a page from the homosexual rights movement's handbook. Homosexuals renamed themselves "gays" and changed the terms of the debate, they argue.

As Richard Dawkins explains, "A triumph of consciousness-raising has been the homosexual hijacking of the word 'gay'.... Gay is succinct, uplifting, positive: an 'up' word, where homosexual is a down word and queer [and] faggot . . . are insults. Those of us who subscribe to no religion; those of us who rejoice in the real and scorn the false comfort of the unreal, we need a word of our own, a word like 'gay'."

The word chosen to be the atheists' version of 'gay' is bright. That's right, they want unbelievers to call themselves brights. Give them an "A" for arrogance.

Of course, Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins are already specialists in the highest form of intellectual snobbery. Dennett, a professor of philosophy at Tufts University, and Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University, are well known for their condescending dismissal of all belief in the supernatural. Both address their scorn to anyone who believes in God or dares to question naturalistic evolution.

Their plan, if successful, would put believers in God in the unenviable position of being opposed to "brights" who deny belief in God. This is, no pun avoidable, a diabolically brilliant public relations strategy. The real question is: Will it work?

In "The Bright Stuff," an op-ed column published in The New York Times, Dennett simply declared, "It's time for us brights to come out of the closet." Now, that's an invitation sure to get attention.

He continued, "What is a bright? A bright is a person with a naturalist as opposed to a supernaturalist world view. We brights don't believe in ghosts or elves or the Easter Bunny--or God. We disagree about many things, and hold a variety of views about morality, politics and the meaning of life, but we share a disbelief in black magic--and life after death."

Brights are all around us, Dennett claims. Brights are "doctors, nurses, police officers, schoolteachers, crossing guards and men and women serving in the military. We are your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters. Our colleges and universities teem with brights. Among scientists, we are a commanding majority." Had enough?

Dennett wants to be the Moses of the atheist cause, leading his people out of bondage to theists and into the promised land of atheistic cultural influence--a land flowing with skepticism and unbelief.

The most absurd argument offered by Dennett is that brights "just want to be treated with the same respect accorded to Baptists and Hindus and Catholics, no more and no less." Those familiar with the work of Dennett and Dawkins will be waiting for the laughter after that claim. The same respect? These two militant secularists show no respect for religious belief.

Philosopher Michael Rea of the University of Notre Dame couldn't let Dennett and Dawkins get away with such hogwash. 'The fact is," he asserts, "the likes of Dennett and Dawkins aren't the least bit interested in mutual respect." Dennett has suggested that serious religious believers should be isolated from society in a "cultural zoo." Dawkins has argued that persons who reject naturalistic evolution are "ignorant, stupid or insane." Well, now--is that their vision of "mutual respect?"

As for the anti-supernaturalists calling themselves "brights," Rea argues, "The genuinely tolerant atheist will refuse the label; for the the very respect and humility that characterize her tolerance will also help her to see that in fact their are bright people on both sides of the theist/atheist divide."  [See Rea's exchange with Dennett]

Timothy K. Beal, professor of religion at Case Western Reserve University, notes that the brights demonstrate "an evangelical tone" in their writings. Beal perceptively notes that, in their determination to be irreligious, these atheists have just established a new anti-religious religion. But what they really want is not only respect, but cultural influence.

Dennett's New York Times column decried "the role of religious organizations in daily life," contrasted with no such public role for secularists. Of course, this claim is sheer nonsense. Dennett and Dawkins boast that most scientists and intellectuals are atheists. They are without influence?

G. K. Chesterton once identified atheism as "the most daring of all dogmas," since it is the "assertion of a universal negative." As he explained; "for a man to say that there is no God in the universe is like saying that there are no insects in any of the stars."

The Psalmist agreed, and spoke in even more dramatic terms: "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'." [Psalm 14:1] The atheists are caught in a difficult position. They reject belief in God, but draw attention to God even as they shout their unbelief. In the end, they look more foolish than dangerous.

This call for a new public relations strategy will likely backfire. Hijacking the term bright shows insecurity more than anything else. A movement of secure egos would not resort to calling itself "brights."

Atheism may try to change its name, but it cannot succeed in changing its nature. This bright idea doesn't look so bright after all.

 

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To: Ogmios; DittoJed2
Therefore the planes have ridden the ice deepr into the icepack as the ice has moved.

Nice guess. Are you aware that a plane must have its center of mass ahed of its aerodynamic center? Like an arrow, the nose of a plane is the heaviest. So what was this downward force that pushed the planes deeper, yet kept them from going nose-down?

Yet another problem: Flowing ice destroys rocks yet 80% of the rescued planes could be used. Any force that is going to drive planes 250 feet into the ice is going to destroy them.

281 posted on 10/01/2003 1:22:34 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: DittoJed2
We know evolutionists have no agenda whatsoever, right? They don't use Haekel's embryonic evolution in their texts or the peppered moth "proof" do they? How about the evolution of the horse? No sir, they have no agenda. They welcome discussion of the weakness of darwinism in the classroom because it shows how bullet-proof their theory is. They humbly accept blame for most of the numerous discovered hoaxes done in the name of science. They never ridicule the poor idiots who disagree with them, not even if the disagreement comes from their own group. They humbly and patiently wait for us to find our own way. They're so nice and understanding I just know they couldn't have an agenda.
282 posted on 10/01/2003 1:33:21 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
We know evolutionists have no agenda whatsoever, right? They don't use Haekel's embryonic evolution in their texts or the peppered moth "proof" do they? How about the evolution of the horse? No sir, they have no agenda. They welcome discussion of the weakness of darwinism in the classroom because it shows how bullet-proof their theory is. They humbly accept blame for most of the numerous discovered hoaxes done in the name of science. They never ridicule the poor idiots who disagree with them, not even if the disagreement comes from their own group. They humbly and patiently wait for us to find our own way. They're so nice and understanding I just know they couldn't have an agenda.

Poor Dataman. Trying to be like Kent Hovind, yet failing so miserably. Woe be it to the creationist who has to rely on lies and mistruths to get attention! Poor thing!

283 posted on 10/01/2003 1:46:29 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Dataman
We know evolutionists have no agenda whatsoever, right? They don't use Haekel's embryonic evolution in their texts or the peppered moth "proof" do they? How about the evolution of the horse? No sir, they have no agenda. They welcome discussion of the weakness of darwinism in the classroom because it shows how bullet-proof their theory is. They humbly accept blame for most of the numerous discovered hoaxes done in the name of science. They never ridicule the poor idiots who disagree with them, not even if the disagreement comes from their own group. They humbly and patiently wait for us to find our own way. They're so nice and understanding I just know they couldn't have an agenda.
You pretty much have'm pegged.
284 posted on 10/01/2003 1:53:21 PM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: DittoJed2; Ogmios
Condescending comment aside, the article is from a semi-technical article (there are more technical ones on the site as well) and Mr. Oard is a meteorological scientist. Dismissing him as "non-scientific" and this site as "non-scientific" does nothing for your case.

I too am underwhelmed by Dr. Oard's work, because of the unsupported assumptions it makes early on, and the severe lack of detail within the work itself. It could be that there is more detail within the work referenced that was authored by Oard, but that will be hard to find. But until there is more detail given on Oard's models, I can only comment on his unsupported assumptions of a young earth. Sadly, most of his references are offline refs, so I may have to report back tomorrow to see if his references support his assertions.

285 posted on 10/01/2003 1:53:56 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease
Do you care to refute a single thing that he said in the post you responded to or do you just enjoy shooting off your mouth?
286 posted on 10/01/2003 1:53:58 PM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: ThinkPlease
Poor Dataman. Trying to be like Kent Hovind, yet failing so miserably. Woe be it to the creationist who has to rely on lies and mistruths to get attention! Poor thing!

It is hard to reconcile the raw emotional responses of many of you evos with the rational control you feign.

287 posted on 10/01/2003 1:55:41 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: DittoJed2
You pretty much have'm pegged..
288 posted on 10/01/2003 2:00:02 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: ThinkPlease
Poor Dataman. Trying to be like Kent Hovind, yet failing so miserably.

Does that mean that Dataman is accurately and honestly representing facts and findings, and not presenting things out of context or with grevious and easily identified errors?
289 posted on 10/01/2003 2:00:24 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Dataman
It is hard to reconcile the raw emotional responses of many of you evos with the rational control you feign.

Considering this is the first reply I've made to you in (I'd guess) almost 4 months, I'd have to say I've had pretty good luck keeping you and your outrageous comments on VI.

Answer me this, how can you repeat the same outrageous statements time after time after being corrected each time? Seems to me that you might be engaging in some odd behaviour by doing so. On usenet, we have a technical term for that behaviour. Any guess what that might be?

290 posted on 10/01/2003 2:06:35 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Dimensio
Sadly, no
291 posted on 10/01/2003 2:09:07 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease
I'd have to say I've had pretty good luck keeping you and your outrageous comments on VI.

Please put me back on.

Answer me this, how can you repeat the same outrageous statements time after time after being corrected each time?

Answer me this: How can you make such accusations without proof. Never mind. I know how.

292 posted on 10/01/2003 2:12:33 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
A "lame" attempt at spin yourself. Of course the depth was much greater than expected (where is that predictive power of good science?) but the number of layers in the ice indicated the planes had been there for many thousands of years.

I thought I posted a response to this last nite, but apparently the Internet burped. Basically I too want to see a cite for your claim that the planes were under thousands of layers. Neither the AiG article nor the ICR article (the two most-cited sources) mention anything about the planes being buried under too many layers.

293 posted on 10/01/2003 2:14:58 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: ThinkPlease
Well, I understand Hovind's history, but you said that Dataman was trying to be Hovind and failing miserably. That could be interpreted to mean that, despite his best effots, Dataman is managing to tell the truth with every statement made.
294 posted on 10/01/2003 2:18:34 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: jennyp
I too want to see a cite

What's a cite?

Let me say as politely as possible that this subject has nothing to do with "brights" unless you, the bright, are asking me, the dim, to do your research for you. I remember seeing the layers myself since it was either TLC or the Discovery channel that had cameras in the shafts. They showed the rescuing process and the layers. They mentioned the problem that 4.5 feet of ice per year presents. If you need a web photo, feel free to use the search engines available with which, I understand, you are familiar.

295 posted on 10/01/2003 2:22:55 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: jennyp
I think the original ice core "discrepancy" claim was aimed at me. I responded in post #260 that the claim was unrelated to actual ice core dating metnods. It simply doesn't address any issues in ice core dating. Simple as that.
296 posted on 10/01/2003 2:24:37 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Dataman
Those rocks are under the ice sheet, not flowing within the ice sheet, therefore they are crushed as the ice flows over the top of them.

The planes on the other hand are within the ice sheet, and flow with the ice sheet, and 80% of the plane is original, but had to be fixed and repaired before being used. The planes were and are extensively damaged from the weight bearing down upon them from the ice on top of them.
297 posted on 10/01/2003 3:31:19 PM PDT by Ogmios
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To: DittoJed2
I am sorry that you felt that that was condescending, I was not trying to be.

Your source may be a meteorologist, but he is actually pretty ignorant as far as what the ice cores mean, or what they are. He has taken a specific problem, that scientists take into consideration, and blown it up into something that it is not. A major problem with dating the ice cores.

He is a young earth creationist, therefore his work will be suspect and is.

It is sloppy, it is not at all true, and only those with little or no scientific knowledge would take him seriously.

Sorry, but that is the way I see it.

Believe him if you want, but he's so far away from the truth, that if he were shooting, he wouldn't be hitting the broadside of a barn.
298 posted on 10/01/2003 3:35:39 PM PDT by Ogmios
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To: ThinkPlease
They don't, he is a young earther, and starts from that assumption, since the earth is not young, his answers will be and are full of holes, missing evidence, and anything at all looking remotely true.

The poor man starts from the wrong assumption and goes downhill from there.
299 posted on 10/01/2003 3:38:58 PM PDT by Ogmios
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To: Dataman
Was that a raw emotional response?

If so, I don't see it, then again, I am new to this forum, so maybe here it is.
300 posted on 10/01/2003 3:40:42 PM PDT by Ogmios
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