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Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblogs/mohler/ ^ | September 29, 2003 | Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr.

Posted on 09/29/2003 7:09:06 AM PDT by DittoJed2


Not Such a Bright Idea: Atheists Try a New Name
Albert Mohler

Daniel Dennett claims that atheism is getting a bad press. The world is filled with religious believers, he acknowledges, but a growing number of atheists lack the respect they deserve. It's time for a new public relations strategy for the godless, Dennett argues, and he has just the plan.

The central point of Dennett's strategy is to get rid of the word "atheist." It's too, well, negative. After all, it identifies an individual by what he or she does not believe--in this case the individual does not believe in God. A more positive approach would be helpful to advance the atheist anti-supernatural agenda.

Dennett, joined by Richard Dawkins, thinks he has found the perfect plan. Two atheists in California have suggested that the anti-supernatural crowd should take a page from the homosexual rights movement's handbook. Homosexuals renamed themselves "gays" and changed the terms of the debate, they argue.

As Richard Dawkins explains, "A triumph of consciousness-raising has been the homosexual hijacking of the word 'gay'.... Gay is succinct, uplifting, positive: an 'up' word, where homosexual is a down word and queer [and] faggot . . . are insults. Those of us who subscribe to no religion; those of us who rejoice in the real and scorn the false comfort of the unreal, we need a word of our own, a word like 'gay'."

The word chosen to be the atheists' version of 'gay' is bright. That's right, they want unbelievers to call themselves brights. Give them an "A" for arrogance.

Of course, Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkins are already specialists in the highest form of intellectual snobbery. Dennett, a professor of philosophy at Tufts University, and Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University, are well known for their condescending dismissal of all belief in the supernatural. Both address their scorn to anyone who believes in God or dares to question naturalistic evolution.

Their plan, if successful, would put believers in God in the unenviable position of being opposed to "brights" who deny belief in God. This is, no pun avoidable, a diabolically brilliant public relations strategy. The real question is: Will it work?

In "The Bright Stuff," an op-ed column published in The New York Times, Dennett simply declared, "It's time for us brights to come out of the closet." Now, that's an invitation sure to get attention.

He continued, "What is a bright? A bright is a person with a naturalist as opposed to a supernaturalist world view. We brights don't believe in ghosts or elves or the Easter Bunny--or God. We disagree about many things, and hold a variety of views about morality, politics and the meaning of life, but we share a disbelief in black magic--and life after death."

Brights are all around us, Dennett claims. Brights are "doctors, nurses, police officers, schoolteachers, crossing guards and men and women serving in the military. We are your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters. Our colleges and universities teem with brights. Among scientists, we are a commanding majority." Had enough?

Dennett wants to be the Moses of the atheist cause, leading his people out of bondage to theists and into the promised land of atheistic cultural influence--a land flowing with skepticism and unbelief.

The most absurd argument offered by Dennett is that brights "just want to be treated with the same respect accorded to Baptists and Hindus and Catholics, no more and no less." Those familiar with the work of Dennett and Dawkins will be waiting for the laughter after that claim. The same respect? These two militant secularists show no respect for religious belief.

Philosopher Michael Rea of the University of Notre Dame couldn't let Dennett and Dawkins get away with such hogwash. 'The fact is," he asserts, "the likes of Dennett and Dawkins aren't the least bit interested in mutual respect." Dennett has suggested that serious religious believers should be isolated from society in a "cultural zoo." Dawkins has argued that persons who reject naturalistic evolution are "ignorant, stupid or insane." Well, now--is that their vision of "mutual respect?"

As for the anti-supernaturalists calling themselves "brights," Rea argues, "The genuinely tolerant atheist will refuse the label; for the the very respect and humility that characterize her tolerance will also help her to see that in fact their are bright people on both sides of the theist/atheist divide."  [See Rea's exchange with Dennett]

Timothy K. Beal, professor of religion at Case Western Reserve University, notes that the brights demonstrate "an evangelical tone" in their writings. Beal perceptively notes that, in their determination to be irreligious, these atheists have just established a new anti-religious religion. But what they really want is not only respect, but cultural influence.

Dennett's New York Times column decried "the role of religious organizations in daily life," contrasted with no such public role for secularists. Of course, this claim is sheer nonsense. Dennett and Dawkins boast that most scientists and intellectuals are atheists. They are without influence?

G. K. Chesterton once identified atheism as "the most daring of all dogmas," since it is the "assertion of a universal negative." As he explained; "for a man to say that there is no God in the universe is like saying that there are no insects in any of the stars."

The Psalmist agreed, and spoke in even more dramatic terms: "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'." [Psalm 14:1] The atheists are caught in a difficult position. They reject belief in God, but draw attention to God even as they shout their unbelief. In the end, they look more foolish than dangerous.

This call for a new public relations strategy will likely backfire. Hijacking the term bright shows insecurity more than anything else. A movement of secure egos would not resort to calling itself "brights."

Atheism may try to change its name, but it cannot succeed in changing its nature. This bright idea doesn't look so bright after all.

 

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To: Conservative Me
It does sound very weird, and atheist is an atheist, nothing less, nothing more.

There is nothing to be ashamed of in the term atheist.

I find it more disturbing when someone claims to be part of a religion, yet does not know anything about the religion that they are claiming to be a part of.

I would much rather they announce themselves as agnostic, or atheists, it saves time and misunderstandings.
261 posted on 09/30/2003 9:56:48 AM PDT by Ogmios
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
alpha privative
NOUN: The prefix a- or an- before vowels, used in Greek and in English words borrowed from Greek to express absence or negation.
 
So if you follow this through you get "lack of/no belief that deities exist" and not "belief that no deities exist" because you negate "belief that...".
And the etymological meaning is also accepted by a lot of people.
262 posted on 09/30/2003 10:52:07 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
Forgive me, I over estimated your original response. I thought you were attempting to make a true etymological analysis in the pursuit of your definition. It is now clear that you were only attempting to subvert the accepted meaning in favor of your English based constructionism. This more simplistic effort has no bearing what so ever on the accepted meanings, all of which relate to an active denial, regardless whether you think your simple construction "is also accepted by a lot of people." I apologize for wasting your time and mine with far too thorough of a response.
263 posted on 09/30/2003 11:48:16 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Dataman
Ice core dating has always been questionable but the discovery of lost squadron in Greenland showed that the annual ice buildup could be measured in meters rather than inches. Of course the rescuers of the planes were not prepared to dig 250' to find planes that had landed only 50 years earlier. The miscalculation was based on the incorrect assumption that the layers in the ice were annual. Thus the ice core dating was based on a false premise.

I'm disappointed that you'd use such a lame example! The Lost Squadron made their emergency landing on the coast of Greenland, where the snowfall is much greater than in the interior of Greenland where all the ice cores are taken.

See here for a good overview and recent news on the Lost Squadron.

264 posted on 09/30/2003 2:58:38 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp
I'm disappointed that you'd use such a lame example! The Lost Squadron made their emergency landing on the coast of Greenland, where the snowfall is much greater than in the interior of Greenland where all the ice cores are taken.

What? A YEC-type deliberately lied and misled the thread readers? I'm shocked, shocked. /Claude Rains impression

265 posted on 09/30/2003 5:11:25 PM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: jennyp
I'm disappointed

Pleased to disappoint you. The day I stop disappointing you is the day you discover the futility of atheism.

The Lost Squadron made their emergency landing on the coast of Greenland, where the snowfall is much greater than in the interior of Greenland where all the ice cores are taken.

A "lame" attempt at spin yourself. Of course the depth was much greater than expected (where is that predictive power of good science?) but the number of layers in the ice indicated the planes had been there for many thousands of years.

266 posted on 09/30/2003 5:16:59 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
Of course the depth was much greater than expected (where is that predictive power of good science?) but the number of layers in the ice indicated the planes had been there for many thousands of years.

And, of course, you have a cite for that incredibly stupid assertion? Come on, LackingDataMan, show us!

267 posted on 09/30/2003 5:21:12 PM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: DittoJed2
What's wrong with "blight"? I like calling them the "blight".
268 posted on 09/30/2003 6:32:58 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Welcome to the only website dedicated to the preservation of a free republic.)
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To: balrog666
And, of course, you have a cite for that incredibly stupid assertion? Come on, LackingDataMan, show us!

Jennyp seems to be aware of it. If you're still in the dark, you could try to research it.

269 posted on 10/01/2003 4:37:09 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
I've seen it. The planes did kinda throw a kink into their data didn't they!
270 posted on 10/01/2003 6:35:35 AM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: TaxRelief
Blight works.
271 posted on 10/01/2003 6:36:03 AM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: Dataman
...the number of layers in the ice indicated the planes had been there for many thousands of years.

I'm familiar with the situation but this specific part, upon which your entire assertion hangs, is simply a lie. And, it's a lie with which you should be familiar since it was pointed out the last time this idiocy was posted.

Is there some reason you keep posting the same lie time after time?

272 posted on 10/01/2003 8:31:40 AM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: DittoJed2; Dataman
I am sorry, but you are both wrong, the planes were exactly where they should have been.

They landed on what is called a flowing ice sheet, this means that over the past 50 years they have not only been covered by regular snowfall, but taken deeper into the icepack because that iceflow moves like a river, just much more slowly. Therefore the planes have ridden the ice deepr into the icepack as the ice has moved. As well as the fact that they have been snowed upon, which made them go even deeper.

The ice core samples that you are discussing are taken from nonflowing parts of the pack, so the dating methods used for those ice cores are very consistent and very accurate.

Your information is out of date, and wrong.

Have a great day...

273 posted on 10/01/2003 9:29:56 AM PDT by Ogmios
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To: Ogmios
The ice core samples that you are discussing are taken from nonflowing parts of the pack, so the dating methods used for those ice cores are very consistent and very accurate.
The dating methods used make assumptions that these are uniformly laid down each year, when it has been observed that it isn't year to year but hot to cold that forms a layer. Thus, several layers can and have been formed per year. I would also suggest your reading Michael Oard's piece on the uniformitarian interpretation of ice cores.
274 posted on 10/01/2003 10:48:39 AM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: DittoJed2
The dating methods used make assumptions that these are uniformly laid down each year, when it has been observed that it isn't year to year but hot to cold that forms a layer. Thus, several layers can and have been formed per year.

The methodology is well documented and your strawman is simply wrong. Is this another one of the those areas that you just don't understand?

I note that the link you provided does nothing to bolster your "argument" or to justify it's own absurd alternative hypothesis, so why post it?

275 posted on 10/01/2003 11:12:42 AM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: DittoJed2
First off that article is not at all scientific, and his sources and explanations are questionable at best. As well as his motivations.

Here, I will give you a snipet from an actual scientific site.

http://chemistry.beloit.edu/Warming/icecore/

Ice Core Dating
By sampling at very fine intervals down the ice core, and provided that each annual layer of snow is thick enough, several samples from each year may be measured for the different chemical properties. It has already been seen that the delta value is related to air temperature when the snow was deposited. Because it is warmer in summer and cooler in winter, and provided the snow layers are not too disturbed by wind, the delta value can show annual cycles. Thus, these values can be used to date the ice core. Hydrogen peroxide is created in the atmosphere by a chemical reaction that requires ultraviolet light. There is a lot less ultraviolet light in the winter than in the summer in Antarctica. Thus, measurements of hydrogen peroxide dissolved in the ice also provide a good annual cycle indicator.

In order to date the ice cores accurately, the annual layers need to be thick enough to obtain about ten measurement samples from each year. The thickness of the annual layers depends on how much snow falls each year. Thus, to obtain an ice core from which accurate, detailed dating can be derived, we need to find an Antarctic site where the snow accumulation is relatively high. This would usually mean we need to find a low elevation site, but it must also be a site where there is no melt. If the snow was to melt at any time during the year, some measurements such as those involving trapped gases would be spoiled. In addition, the annual layers would be destroyed by the melt water which would, effectively, wash the evidence away.

Such locations (high snow accumulation, yet low summer temperatures) are not easy to find. One such location, however, is near the summit of Law Dome, approximately 120 kilometres from Casey Station, where an ice core has been drilled 1,200 metres through the ice sheet to the underlying bedrock. Accurate dating for this core has been obtained back to 8,000 years ago using annual cycles obtained by analysis of delta value and hydrogen peroxide. A section of the graph of delta value and hydrogen peroxide is shown in Figure 4, along with the year. The ice core depth for this section is 139 to 128 metres, corresponding to the dates 1807 to 1826 AD.


As you can see, scientists take this into consideration already, and make allowances for it, so to say that you Mr. Oard is wrong is an understatement. You need to be careful where you get your sources, if you are going to argue science, you should get your information from scientific sites.

Creationist websites as well as YEC sites etc have an agenda, they will do their best to prove their points, but they ignore evidence that will disprove their theories very quickly.

The evidence for this is easily found, if you are interested in looking.

Also, my post above was not complete, not by a long shot and I apologize.

Someone above said that the snowfall near the coast is much greater then within the mainland of Greenland, and this is indeed true, a major percentage of the ice over the planes is due to this, but, the other reason that it is so deep is the one that I explained above. The flowing of the pack itself has driven the planes deeper into the pack.

There, that is a bit better.
276 posted on 10/01/2003 11:21:32 AM PDT by Ogmios
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To: Ogmios
Here, I will give you a snipet from an actual scientific site.
Condescending comment aside, the article is from a semi-technical article (there are more technical ones on the site as well) and Mr. Oard is a meteorological scientist. Dismissing him as "non-scientific" and this site as "non-scientific" does nothing for your case.
277 posted on 10/01/2003 11:52:41 AM PDT by DittoJed2 (Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it,derived from our Maker- John Adams)
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To: Ogmios
Such is the pitiable nature of "invincible ignorance".
278 posted on 10/01/2003 12:46:32 PM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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To: balrog666
Is there some reason you keep posting the same lie time after time?

I look forward to the day when you are able to carry on a civil conversation.

279 posted on 10/01/2003 12:54:40 PM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
I look forward to the day when you are able to carry on a civil conversation.

I look forward to the day when you quit posting known lies.

280 posted on 10/01/2003 1:16:58 PM PDT by balrog666 (As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to commit atrocities.)
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