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Ross Perot (he EARNED your votes??

No, Ross Perot was able to *pretend* to be conservative. Something Bush couldn't do.

And the little general is now a 'whipping boy???

No, conservative voters who don't vote for liberal Republicans are being treated as a whipping boy.

You lose the debate, Maelstrom, because you ignore history.

History is replete with liberal Republican failures, Bill Clinton was one, Gray Davis another. You elect liberal Republican who implement liberal policies and then blame conservative Republicans when they lose elections. To me, people who follow this historical pattern have a mental deficiency that should be corrected immediately.

IMO, California has gone beyond the ability to elect a true Conservative.

Then California has become a 3rd world nation. Aztlan is yours. It's still extremely odd to me that people can hold the opinion that the state has gone beyond the ability to elect a conservative (the qualifier "true" is unnecessary because it doesn't exist). California hasn't even *attempted* to provide a conservative candidate. Simon, while conservative, had a number of problems that not all conservatives have...other than perhaps the unmitigated hatred to the point of betrayal by RINOs within the GOP establishment.

Despite all of those drawbacks, he still came very close to beating Davis. People like you seize upon his loss as some sort of proof conservatism is unwanted. Well, I'm here to tell you that Arnold's upcoming failures will represent far more significant reasons to say the same about California Republicans in general.

I now believe that this State is almost devoid of any virtue. I expect that I will be leaving Mexifornia as soon as my circumstances permit. In 10 years, this State will be a third world state with a shattered and ruined economy, a socialist government, and an ignorant government-dependent population.

Our founders setup a dual system of government: Internal governance by self-governing virtuous people, couples with an external government that restrains evil. Since the internal form of government has collapsed (virtue is a forgotten word even), the external is also collapsing as one cannot be sustained without the other. Self-governing people are FREE people but people who are dependent on the government are slaves and serfs. Good-bye sweet republic, hello tyrannical democracy or socialist state.

No, Ross Perot was able to *pretend* to be conservative. Something Bush couldn't do.

Right......because he's an HONEST MAN WITH PRINCIPLES!!! Ross Perot is not a whipping boy (remember it is YOU who claimed that). He's a dishonest little twit who deceived you, and you fell for it because you were MAD at GHW. But apparently don't have the guts to admit you made a big mistake, nor take responsiblity for the consequences of that mistake......

(How very liberal of you to keep blaming someone else for YOUR fault.....)

Welll.......enough of your contorted logic, evasion of your own responsibility, and twisting of conversation.

You just go ahead and vote for anybody you want to. Go on living in your I'm-better-than-you-because-I'm-a-conservative-with-principles dreamworld.

I'm just thankful that there are only a handful of bullheaded guys like you, so that George W Bush is going to get the votes of every conservative who can SEE straight, even though we don't agree with everything he's done....... That won't include you, I'll bet.

In the mean time this little 'conversation' is REALLY over now. Have a nice life.