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To: ETERNAL WARMING
TOM McSELFISH vs. AHHnold Schwartzenfraud...but Ahhnold isn't selfish, eh? LOL

How is Schwarzenegger selfish, in your mind?

24 posted on 09/14/2003 10:52:54 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Boo.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
How is Schwarzenegger selfish, in your mind?

From the Convention speech:

I say: let’s unite for victory!

I tell people if you believe that California cannot afford three more years of losing jobs – then join me.

If you want to get politics out of education for the good of our children – then join me.

My fellow Republicans, if you want to get the Davis-Bustamante administration out of Sacramento and put in a Republican administration, then join me.

I believe we Republicans can do great things together!

http://www.joinarnold.com/en/press/pressdetail.php?id=113
41 posted on 09/14/2003 11:55:42 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Why Arnold is selfish:
He is EITHER
Selfish because he has inserted himseld (ego) into a political confrontation caused by democrat mishandling of the state.
When, in a legitimate constitutional process, republican partisans (not politicians) were successful in obtaining a recall vote, they (i.e. Issa) stepped out to allow the poltical parties to go forward.
That was a fairly heroic move, freeing the GOP from potential taint of having the same person demand the recall, then try to win it for himself...a charge the dem's were already prepared to make.
At that time, Cal republicans had a minor schism to address, a former candidate known to be soft in the doctrine area (Simon) and another known to be more conservative.
That would make for a good debate within the party, in many ways similar to what we have today but within prudent limits and with the understanding that one would probably step aside before election based on internal party feed back.
OR,
He us utterly unselfish because he has handed over a few years of hollywood idolatry, high living, high income, and the good life in general. Handed it over because he truely believes that he can save the state from immediate ruin brought on by the dem governor who barely squeeked out an election over a weak Rep opponent.

My opinion on the above is immaterial.
My opinion of the true nature of the two parties available to us today is immaterial.

However, what we now have, with thanks to Arnold, is, made to order only if you are a democrat seeking to assure that very little changes due to recall and, equally important, there'l be blame to pour on the republicans for years to come.

Simon dropped out early and without any meaningful debate as to the best means of righting what's been done wrong to california.THAT element of republican discourse has been totally shut down because Arnie "does not want to talk specifics".
Bill Clinton can come to LA and preach (literally) that the same evil red necks who drove him from office are now playing the race card in this recall. Not because of Davis' race but because some have questioned the dem's great hope and current poll leader refuses to openly cut ties with a racist &/or subversive nationalist organization - naturally by asking the question, the questioners must be racist.
WJC and MEChA have moved the leftist lowbrow/elitist axis away from recall due to performance and into recall because 'they' (us) don't want the first latino governor. It's a BS arguement but it will reverberate in key dem constituencies.
And, the media is happy to point out, daily, that Arnold is the front runner outside the dem party and that Bustamente is an unscary, non-davis, dare we say moderate, democrat professional.
Oh, and that McClintock is a right wing tool of George Bush who failed to win the party nomination the last time around.

Meanwhile, back in camp, instead of a philosophical debate between republican conservative and republican lite, we have otherwise rational people posting "(Paleos should be disenfranchised due to their lack of common sense.)" and "SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican." while their otherwise allies can post "Neos should be disenfranchised due to their lack of wisdom" because they aren't good at one liners.
We don't have a discussion on docrtine, we have a food fight between the vote republican and the vote for the man on the white horse factions.

And that's precisely what the democrats want to see.

Furthermore, assuming a davis loss and a win by EITHER Schwarzeneggar or Bustamente, the left does not really lose because policies will not change from the accepted Democrat (national level) guidelines.

Polls and reports on the process are going to paint McClintock as the spoiler...because he is the historically conservative republican politician who has not strayed at any point from his stated beliefs and root ('paleo') constituencies?
Polls and reports on the process are going to continue to paint Arnold as the "only logical" republican candidate because he is the most nearly democrat candidate apart from Bustamente.
Polls and news media in general do not show much sympathy for conservatisim. I wonder if that might influence their resulst just a bit?
Which leaves the question as to just why the hell we are flagelating ourselves inside both FR and the state republican party rather than either debating and going forward or calling a nice smoke-filled-room caucus and naming THE candidate!
Who benefits from the distraction?
257 posted on 09/15/2003 10:25:40 AM PDT by norton
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