"TOM McSELFISH = Gov. BustaMENCHA"

9/14/2003 | ALOHA RONNIE Guyer

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET

.."TOM McSELFISH =

...Gov. BustaMENCHA"

........was THE Sign to behold at this weekend's California Republican Convention held in Playa Del Rey next to the Los Angeles International Airport. So I did.

...No Convention Endorsement came for California Governor, but a posted Convention Straw Poll showed ARNOLD with nearly ..80%.. of the votes verses a little over ..18%.. for TOM McCLINTOCK.

...No one backed down this weekend, though it was hoped one Candidate for California Governor would, with Recall Election Financier Congressman ISSA watching it all unfold right before his very eyes.

Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Republican Convention Witness

NEVER FORGET

[BibChr]

Woo hoo! You go, girl!

[Texas Eagle]

It is the Democrats who want infighting in our party. They promote Tom McClintock's candidacy because they believe he can't win ....

Ahhhhhh, such chicanery. Politically savvy at its finest. If Republicans were as savvy, they'd make this strategy backfire on the RATS by uniting behind McClintock.

But then, when have Republicans ever been politcally savvy?

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

BTW, Welcome home, and thank you for serving!

Lets remember to say that to our returning brothers and sisters. God knows they are going to need our support in the future.

Goodnight and FRegards FRiend.

[Paloma_55]

I got involved in Republican politics because I saw an influx of liberals into the party creating a scenario where every time a conservative runs, not only is he running against the Democrats, he is running against the left wing of the Republican Party.

An example; When Bill Simon had a campaign staff member construct a survey that claimed support for gay marriage and sent it to the San Fran Chron. Was that a Dem plant? No, it was a Log Cabin Republican. Why did this fag do such a thing? Because they would rather have Gray Davis than a true conservative and they knew it would undermine Simon's base.

Unfortunately, I have come to the realization that these guys are in and hold enough sway in the party that they can do what they want... prevent a conservative from ever winning. Because they are liberals, they will use sneaky, underhanded, illegal, or unethical means without reservation.

At this point, I believe that it is either Arnold or nothing.

If Bill Back had won last year in the CRP election, I would not believe what I do. But Duf Sundheim is a liberal and he is using his position to liberalize the leadership of our party. Within 2 years, expect to have pro-life and pro-family planks removed from the party platform.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But you saw it here first!

[Redleg Duke]

Your last two paragraphs really drove your argument into irrelevance!

Really well done!

I hope you like Cruz as your next gov! When it happens, just spare us your whining.

[Maelstrom]

Responsible adults make responsible choices.

Arnold isn't one.

[Maelstrom]

None of your quotes are a reason to support him.

[Maelstrom]

"Do you agree to slam the borders shut?"

I do, Arnold was ambivalent.

" Do you agree that the government needs to be cut down in size? "

This is fairly important, Arnold DOES NOT AGREE WITH THIS As per the plethora of programs he's already proposed!!!


" Do you believe in no taxes raised except for terrorist attack or a natural disaster? "

This is more important. Arnold has been ambivalent. He didn't limit tax raises to terrorist attacks or natural disasters.

" Do you believe in eliminating onerous regulation strangling businesses? "

I do. Arnold has offered nothing but apparently empty platitudes and generlizations on the subject.


" Do you believe in Workers' Compensation Reform? "

Depends upon the direction that reform takes. Arnold hasn't said anything about it.

" Do you believe in rolling back the excessive car tax? "

It should be eliminated. Arnold has not made any statements indicating a firm stand on the topic.

As a matter of fact on each and every single one of these issues, you either have ambivalence or opposition to conservative principles from Arnold. Meanwhile McClintock has the correct answer on almost every single one.

But, don't let the fact confuse you. Don't you dare actually supporting a conservative who is a conservative as a conservative. You need your non-conservative solution who won't do and hasn't been unambiguous about a single issue that needs to be addressed in California.

The most important question you left missing:

Do you believe government POWER (as opposed to size) needs to be reduced?

Arnold indubitably does not believe in reducing government POWER. McClintock does.

So WHY do you support Arnold?

[Maelstrom]

Are you a conservative at all?

I see no evidence.

[Maelstrom]

They deserve to be copied because they exactly underline what you stand to accomplish if Arnold becomes governor.

Conservatives have provided ample evidence of Arnold's liberal tendencies. Arnold's supporters have totally failed to support any contention that paint Arnold anything other than a Liberall.

It's as though you're proud of your quarterback winning the game when he threw the ball in the wrong direction for the winning points in the game.

"Well, at least OUR guy(R) won the game!"

You win any number of liberal victories in your support of Schwartzenegger. What you don't win are conservative victories.

That my friend, it winning the game for the other side...but hey...as long as it's YOUR GUY that makes it all right?

I mean honestly, given the logic present in the support for Arnold, you'd vote for Clinton if he were Republican.

[ohioWfan]

Here is an article you all should read with an open mind.

It places the blame of the election of Bill Clinton, and the subsequent election of pro-death Supreme Court judges, squarely on the shoulders of......NOT Ross Perot......but Pat Buchanen.

Be aware that what might SEEM like a 'responsible choice' to you now, may end up hurting your state, America as a whole, and sacrificing the very principles you claim to stand for....

[68 grunt]

I see no evidence.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

[Maelstrom]

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Maelstrom]

Given the reasons for your support of Arnold Schwartzenegger, how is it possible that you would NOT vote for Bill Clinton if he ran as a Republican?

[68 grunt]

VOTE RATIONALLY - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[Maelstrom]

Given the reasons for your support of Arnold Schwartzenegger, how is it possible that you would NOT vote for

Bill Clinton

if he ran as a Republican?

[68 grunt]

VOTE FOR SOMEONE CAN LIKE - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[68 grunt]

Can't really picture a Republican going behind enemy lines during a time of war, being corrupted and blackmailed and inserted into our mist by the enemy. You are the xlinton agent here.

VOTE REPUBLICAN - VOTE PRIDE - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[ohioWfan]

Here's the article I linked to Maelstrom, MrLeroy, and exmarine........

It may indeed be too late, but perhaps these 'purists' can START to see the forest instead of the trees, and do what's best for California is the long run..... (bold emphasis mine)

Die-hards and the Damage Done
Posted: September 17, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Hugh Hewitt

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A picture hangs on my office wall that reminds of the glory years of the Reagan Revolution. It shows the White House team entry in the D.C. Nike Challenge from 1985. The six participants include Dick Hauser, then Deputy Counsel in the White House; John Roberts – newly confirmed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit and then a young White House lawyer; and me, also a young White House lawyer. The captain of the "White House V-toes" was Pat Buchanan, at the time the Gipper's communications director.

Whenever a visitor's eye turns to the picture, I point to Pat and say, there's the man who put Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer on the U.S. Supreme Court. Only the politically inclined get it: Pat Buchanan's primary challenge to President George H.W. Bush in 1992 bled the incumbent and opened the door to Perot. Perot, of course, put Clinton in the White House, and Clinton put those justices on the highest court.

Buchanan fans sputter a lot when they hear this recounting of history, and many splendid arguments follow. They protest too much, the Pat people do, because of the impulse to disguise guilt with vigorous and emphatic denunciations. Facts, to quote Reagan quoting Lenin, however, are stubborn things. Buchanan wrought what he wrought, and honest accounting requires that the two Clinton appointees be credited to Pat's legacy ledger. So much for the pro-life platform upon which Pat has long stood. There is no doubt that he sincerely believes in the platform – but there is overwhelming evidence that the unborn would have been far better off had Pat never launched a public career.

This history becomes relevant as the California recall vote draws near. Like Pat, Tom McClintock is a smart, talented and principled public man. Like Pat, Tom is supported by a legion of dedicated, energetic activists. Like the Buchanan campaign of 1992, the McClintock campaign of 2003 thinks it has momentum, a mirage created wholly by an elite media eager to wound a Republican front-runner. A decade ago, that front-runner was President Bush; these days it is Arnold.

And like the Buchanan campaign of 1992, the McClintock campaign of 2003 is playing the role of unwitting pawn of the Democrats to a perfection.

It will not be clear for some years what the real costs of the McClintock candidacy will be. The GOP is already damaged in California, but the real disaster will arrive only if Cruz Bustamante replaces Gray Davis, winning the second part of the California recall with a margin less than the total number of votes garnered by McClintock.

The die-hards ought to think about Breyer and Ginsburg as they launch rhetorical salvo after rhetorical salvo at Arnold. These attacks are very similar in tone and detail to those hurled by the Buchananites against the elder Bush in 1992. Whether they will result in the declaration as unconstitutional of such laws as a ban on partial-birth abortion remains to be seen, but Pat Buchanan clearly didn't set out to destroy such protections with his candidacy of 1992.

But he did. What will the McClintock ledger show a decade hence?

[exmarine]

But will Arnold, as Governor, be making any decisions about abortion? (Other than the partial birth abortion ban position which he supports)?

But Ahh-nold is also pro-gay rights and the governor most certainly does and has signed pro-gay legislation into LAW. Just look at the bills signed by Gay Davis. So, there's no way around it. A vote for Ahh-nold is a vote for the continued demolition of God's family. Not to mention the gun laws he might pass that are in violation of the 2nd Amendment.

For instance, the fact that Christy Todd Whitman was pro-choice didn't bother me much because in the EPA, she would never make any decisions about abortion. (I had problems with her for other reasons).

There are many who have this view and they are all wrong. This assumes that you know how to manipulate politics better than God (it's pragmatism), who appoints all rulers (Ro. 13). This assumes that you will help God decide who will be ruler. God asks us to make moral choices and leave the results up to Him. The bible does not instruct us to be pragmatists. Pragmatism is a secular-humanistic approach, not a godly approach. I believe that when we vote for people who are not God-fearing people, we are compromising on moral principle, and we are hurting our nation. This is putting policy and issues over moral principle. Moral principle must come first.

It was not Buchanan's fault that Clinton was elected. It was America's fault. In a republic, the people ALWAYS get what they deserve. if Bustamante is elected, it will be because a LARGE number of Californians voted for him, which is evidence of a population that is morally bankrupt and headed for certain judgment. However, if I vote moral principle, it pleases God becuase I am voting for the good and leaving the results up to Him. It's a matter of faith and trust in the Almighty.