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Unbelievable. There is much going on here, and I fear some of us are getting lost in the rhetoric.

It has been posited that A-G is "the fairest of the fair," with apologies to Snow White. At the risk of gaining another enemy, I have to state that this is patently absurd. While I'm sure A-G is a lovely, well intentioned woman, in no way is she "fair" in this matter. Heck, her bloviated diatribe can be found on ALS' designeduniverse.com. She has the incredible ability to read through these 800+ posts and not see that perhaps ALS can be a bit gruff at times, to say the least. She is not the arbiter of Crevo thread "fairness."

To the point of ALS' proposal, while a step in the right direction, it smells like a trap. It reads like a trap. It looks like a trap. Conclusion: it's a trap. Trap rhymes with crap. Why? Because the christian fundamentalist definition of "christian bashing" is plastic; capable of being used in any setting, at any time. To me, the phrase, "Christians are stupid," is bashing. "Creationism is stupid," however, is not. There's a wealth on non christian creationists around. The irony here is that christian fundamentalists are as guilty as anyone in the "bashing" game, witness Gore's obsession with Junior's Catholicism. Witness exmarine's repeated claims that non bible-literalist christians aren't really christians afterall.

Non christians, non-theists, and atheists love this eternal, internal quibbling. An omnipotent diety would never allow such intra-christian strife. That's how I see it anyway.

To Vade's and I believe Nebullis' points, I refuse to dumb down my posts, to concede points because of something a 2000 year old text says, especially when it flies in the face of rational, reasoned science. Be it geology or biology, I simply can't do it. But to do so is hardly "christian bashing." I've been guilty of ALS bashing in the past, but for about a month now, I've done my best to ignore the man. His proposal, if accepted as is, would be a victory for the fundamentalist christians. I, for one, won't stand for that.

I've been called a liberal, a commie, a marxist, a socialist, a sophist, a materialist, a jerk, a DUmmie, a heathen, a satanist, and a moron. When I take into account who is doing the name calling, I let it go.

Why do I post on crevo threads? I'm a proud conservative. I do not want my politics nor my party overrun by bible literalists. Simple as that. If I can sway one creationist to become, at the least, a theistic evolutionist or OEC, then that's one less guy I have to defend against in the whole scheme of things.

Simple as that.

Flame me, ban me, suspend me, whatever. This childish crap is hardly worth my time or efforts anymore. I'm quite comfortable with my posts, and I'm secure in the knowledge that genesis is an old story written by men who had no knowledge of modern science. If that's "christian bashing" then I will say farewell and good luck.

bible literalists = people who believe what the Bible says is true as opposed to fiction.

This childish crap is hardly worth my time or efforts anymore. I'm quite comfortable with my posts, and I'm secure in the knowledge that genesis is an old story written by men who had no knowledge of modern science.

Well, from one ranter to another, that was quite a rant. I would just point out that Genesis is not a science book, it's a history book and a book that reveals the character and identity of the Creator of time itself. The writer of Genesis did not write about science.

Why do I post on crevo threads? I'm a proud conservative. I do not want my politics nor my party overrun by bible literalists.

But we really don't want the GOP or conservative movement to become overrun by radical secularists, do we now?

That's what happened to the Dems and look what's happening to the now.

Our country is founded on the axiom that God exists and God exists.

God bless America. :-)

To the point of ALS' proposal, while a step in the right direction, it smells like a trap. It reads like a trap. It looks like a trap. Conclusion: it's a trap.

Civility and honest discussion is a trap? Thanks for letting us know where you are coming from!

Gore's obsession with Junior's Catholicism.

I am not obsessed with anyone's religion. I am obsessed with people who dishonestly claim to be religious in order to bash religion which is what he does. I am obsessed with disruptors and fifth columnists that try to pass themselves off as someone from the other side. This is the lowest kind of tactic and yes, I am unwilling to let such chicanery go unnoticed.

Further, as I mentioned to general_re, I fail to see why religion even has to be mentioned in what is supposedly a scientific discussion.