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50+ Messages with no effective discussion. Does that qualify as a zotting? Or was the subject matter simply that superficial?

Too bad, I thought the excerp would be somewhat amusing and quite enlightening. Medved discussion was quite significant as well. He was trying to expose the agenda of the so-called 'Brights'- an athiest group that has established a goal directed at the removal of all Christian reference and iconography associated with American government. The group is currently putting pressure on the city of Everette, WA to remove a plaque with the 10 Commandments from city property. Michael pointed out that their real goal was not the "separation of church and state" but rather to deny Christianity and Christians altogether. The proof of this was revealed by the callers who resorted to condescending challenges to his faith rather than explaining why such a plaque was oppressive of their inalienable rights. The point being, that a Christian component in American government is indeniable. While the secular Aristotelian component likewise shares significance. And yet neither denies belief nor logic while both lend respect to all viewpoints. Condescension has no place in the discussion... from either side.

The debate between Phoebe and Ross as excerpted from popular television was a rare and important demonstration that the opinions need not be universal in order for individuals to share language, borders, government, and culture.

The Constitution transcends.

"Michael pointed out that their real goal was not the "separation of church and state" but rather to deny Christianity and Christians altogether. The proof of this was revealed by the callers who resorted to condescending challenges to his faith rather than explaining why such a plaque was oppressive of their inalienable rights."

This alone was worth the thread. I like this thread.

Thanks!

THe founders of our country made it very difficult to depart from and change the rule of law - rights and the constitution and it seems mighty strange we are living under executive orders and supreme court fiats ... that are establishing a lot of anti constitutional repression and tyranny !

If law becomes a compulsory force only ... even if it isn't grevious --- no one will comply out of force and it will incite freedom - REBELLION and the life time of an atheistic nazi police state is very low esp in America !

Thank you so much for this post!

Indeed, I saw the episode originally and found it quite amusing, and amusing again reading the dialogue here.

The spirit of anti-Christ has become much more active lately as is evidenced by the words and actions of those who hate God - in the world and also on this forum.

This is most troubling because anti-Christs aren't just atheists, they believe God is and then hate Him. The devils believe and tremble. (James 2:19)

On another note, I believe we ought to be praying earnestly before trying to derail these anti-Christians in order to be very sure we are doing God's will in the matter.

The reason is described in Matthew 16:22-23 where Peter, with all good intentions, wanted to prevent the crucifixion. Jesus replied:

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

If we are living out the end times prophesy, we need to be sure that what we are doing is God's will - otherwise we may be inadvertently also trying to derail the second coming.

My two cents...

He was trying to expose the agenda of the so-called 'Brights'- an athiest group that has established a goal directed at the removal of all Christian reference and iconography associated with American government.

Mr.Atos, there was an editorial by Daniel Dennett that ran in last Thursday's New York Times regarding this "Brights" movement. He's coordinating this effort with Richard Dawkins in England. (Both men are famous evolutionary biologists/cognitive scientists.) Apparently, these guys are griping that Brights -- atheist intellectuals who gravitate to Left progressive political ideology -- have 'way insufficient social and political power in the West. Notwithstanding that they control our most prestigious American institutions of higher learning, the major mass media (print and electronic), and a huge part of the American political class (e.g., the Democrat party), they still don't have all the "influence" they deserve!!! And all because of those dim-witted, God-believing, patriotic "Dims"!!! (I.e., culturally and politically conservative people.)

Whatta joke!!!

>>explaining why such a plaque was oppressive of their inalienable rights<<

It has to do with taxes. You're a Republican, you should be able to understand that it's a violation of my rights to have taxes taken out of my pocket in order to promote your religion.

It also has to do with government endorsement of religion. You should be able to understand that it's a violation of my rights for the government to endorse your religion.

These are simple concepts. What's not to understand?