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To: js1138
this is not true of inventions in general, so why is it logical that it should be true here?

We're not talking about an automobile here. We're talking about morality. How can your moral preferences logically be truer than mine without the existence of a universal moral standard? They can't. By extension, then, good and evil become preferences as well.

1,399 posted on 07/30/2003 1:12:35 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
How can your moral preferences logically be truer than mine without the existence of a universal moral standard?

Sounds like a trick question to me. After all, in the context of the question, what does "truer" mean except closer to a "universal moral standard"?

1,401 posted on 07/30/2003 1:16:13 PM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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How can your moral preferences logically be truer than mine without the existence of a universal moral standard?

Do they promote my survival and the survival of my progeny? Morality which stresses cooperation will do such. Morality which stresses "every man for himself" does not. If I and my progeny do not survive, neither will our morality; therefore only morality which promotes survival will survive.

1,405 posted on 07/30/2003 1:20:10 PM PDT by Junior (Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
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To: exmarine
We're not talking about an automobile here. We're talking about morality. How can your moral preferences logically be truer than mine without the existence of a universal moral standard? They can't. By extension, then, good and evil become preferences as well.

If your goal is to get to heaven, then by all means you must follow revealed morality. That is between you and God

If your goal is a pleasant, just, stable and productive society, you need morality codified into laws and traditions. These may use your revealed morality as a starting point, but the details are invented. And more to the point, unless you care to kill everyone you doesn't share your religion, then laws and traditions are going to be compromises. Again, invented.

1,406 posted on 07/30/2003 1:20:29 PM PDT by js1138
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