[exmarine]

If I say that it is a simple, objective fact that if everybody followed the Golden Rule, we'd all be better off, would you bring in De Sade and baby torturers to refute me?

I would agree with your statement, however, this says nothing about the foundation of moral principles. Don't you care about the source of morals? Are they invented by men or do they come from God? If they are invented by men, then logically, no man's moral values can be any more true than another man's - again, personal prefernce reigns.

[balrog666]

If they are invented by men, then logically, no man's moral values can be any more true than another man's

What would "true" mean in such circumstances?

[js1138]

If they are invented by men, then logically, no man's moral values can be any more true than another man's...

this is not true of inventions in general, so why is it logical that it should be true here?

[CobaltBlue]

I am actually quite attracted to the concept that ethical behavior/right action is founded upon reason.