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Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolution
Original scene from the show... Friends. ^ | NA | NA

Posted on 07/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by Mr.Atos

I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...

Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!

Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.

Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.

Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.

Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!

Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?

Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!

Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!

Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?

Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?


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To: conservababeJen
It was ALS who used "different" in quotes. Also "girls".

So why the girly colors?
341 posted on 07/28/2003 8:52:48 AM PDT by js1138
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To: conservababeJen
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?Or what does this exchange mean?

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?page=2151#2193
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?page=2201#2212
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?page=2201#2213
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?page=2201#2215
342 posted on 07/28/2003 8:54:53 AM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl
BB and A-Girl are actively watching this thread, and anyone who cares about their opinion will naturally be on his good behavior. I can recall threads -- presumably now deleted, where for dozens of posts at a time there would be nothing but taunts, insults, and invitations to flame wars, and all from the new crowd, as the evolution side had pretty much decided not to "feed the trolls." BB and A-Girl weren't active in thost threads,so I assume they don't know how truly abominable their new friends can behave, and now the threads are gone.

oh, please Patrick.. The transparent halo doesn't suit/fit you. Have you ever considered that your "don't feed the trolls" placemarkers and like posts incite "flame wars"? Or are you just a victim?

343 posted on 07/28/2003 8:57:00 AM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: js1138
Trying again:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/949088/posts?page=2151#2191
344 posted on 07/28/2003 8:57:53 AM PDT by js1138
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To: PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Indeed, VI has done a good job preventing the pulling of threads. That was a forced adjustment by the evos to compensate for creo bad behavior.

Still, long after VI became the order of the day, the trolling continues. Here's a classic false witness via "Twist and Shout". (ALS accuses Cobalt_Blue of racism.)

Further down the thread, donh's testimony to what is going on. It's dated 7-10 and clearly not written to back up Vade's assertions of 7-27 in the late PM. It's worth a quote:

That's because PH wants to get the evidence before the house before ALS, f.christian & cohorts fill up the posts with cheap, repetitive trash talk and then an annoyed moderator removes the thread, and/or annoyed lurkers stop reading them.

345 posted on 07/28/2003 9:00:38 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: js1138
So why the girly colors? Because I'm a girl.

I made the placemarker was because somewhere in there an evo was complaining about ALS's placemarkers and graphics while giving PH's a pass.

346 posted on 07/28/2003 9:01:43 AM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: All
In keeping with the spirit of this challenge as raised by betty boop and me: please do not post unsubstantiated complaints!

This is not the place for a flame war. We are trying to get to the facts of what happened and resolve resentments where it possible to do so.

347 posted on 07/28/2003 9:02:59 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: conservababeJen
Troll is equivalent to "disruptor" -- someone whose object is to direct the discussion away from its original subject. Here's a news flash: there are those who contribute research to these threads and als occasionally engage in flaming, and there are those who openly dislike these threads and have expressed a desire for them to go away.
348 posted on 07/28/2003 9:03:13 AM PDT by js1138
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To: balrog666
"Have you overlooked who we are talking about? Are you including yourself in that fan club? Can disruptors do no wrong in your eyes simply because they profess to be Christians while acting as hooligans?"

And as I said, it's interesting that you consider your posts to be calm, reasonable, logical.

Hello pot, this is kettle. You're black.

349 posted on 07/28/2003 9:05:52 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: conservababeJen
somewhere in there an evo was complaining about ALS's placemarkers and graphics

That would be me. I complained privately to ALS a month ago about a whole series -- 20 or so -- of graphics that make the thread slow for people on dial-up. He responded by posting more. Placemarkers do not add much to the load time.

350 posted on 07/28/2003 9:06:38 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Troll is equivalent to "disruptor" -- someone whose object is to direct the discussion away from its original subject. Here's a news flash: there are those who contribute research to these threads and als occasionally engage in flaming, and there are those who openly dislike these threads and have expressed a desire for them to go away.

Are you claiming that the evolutionists don't incite and flame???? I have a newsflash for YOU, js... there are MANY MANY MANY "fundy" Conservative Christian Freepers here that have expressed much praise for our stance in this debate. The biggest mistake that you make is your failure to see that the "original subject" is NOT JUST about "evolution".

351 posted on 07/28/2003 9:10:33 AM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: PatrickHenry
"exposed trolls on parade" placemarker
352 posted on 07/28/2003 9:11:31 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: js1138
what about PH's graphics (besides his placemarkers)?
Also, if placemarkers don't slow you down...why did you just complain about my pink one? It was made to make a point and I see that it worked.
353 posted on 07/28/2003 9:12:03 AM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: longshadow
exposed hypocrite evolutionist do-as-I-say-but-not-as-I-do placemarker.
354 posted on 07/28/2003 9:14:28 AM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: Alamo-Girl
please do not post unsubstantiated complaints!

I hope that's not a handwave dismissal of everything posted to you to this point.

You seem to be hiding behind the moderator pulling of all of the crevo threads around the time ALS and C-Jen started posting on them until the evos adopted virtual ignore. Well, that is a lack of a certain kind of evidence for a critical period.

But that's hardly the same as saying there's no evidence at all. Are you saying that all the evos in unison have been making things up about ALS for months now? How do you explain us doing that to ALS when we haven't done it to you, AndrewC, gore, Betty, Tribune7, scripter, Heartlander, etc.? I've personally had arguments with all of you, but there has been no concerted campaign to say untrue things about any of you.

Until now, if that's what you're saying.

355 posted on 07/28/2003 9:20:06 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: MEGoody
And yet you ignore my questions. Let me ask again:

Have you overlooked who we are talking about? Are you including yourself in that fan club? Can disruptors do no wrong in your eyes simply because they profess to be Christians while acting as hooligans?

And as I said, it's interesting that you consider your posts to be calm, reasonable, logical.

And maybe I missed it but where did I make such a claim on this thread?

356 posted on 07/28/2003 9:24:32 AM PDT by balrog666 (Religions change; beer and wine remain.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; jennyp; Stultis
A curious unsubstantiated statement by that notorious slanderer, jennyp, on July 10.

You know as well as we all do that back on the thread you guys got pulled, Sultis explained very clearly how the question of whether blacks were fully human was an open question in Darwin's day, and that Darwin was influential in getting whites to see that blacks were indeed just as human as we are.

Unfortunately that thread got pulled because of massive disruptor pollution by y'all. But Truth cannot be deleted.

The primary addressee is one ALS. Stultis is cc'ed because Jenny earlier refers to a point he established on a pulled thread.

Is this proof that, as early as July 10, a massive evo-poster conspiracy existed to tell lies about ALS?

357 posted on 07/28/2003 9:37:29 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Thank you for your reply!

I hope that's not a handwave dismissal of everything posted to you to this point.

When I summarize the discussion which has transpired here (which cannot be until late tonight since I must go varnish again) I will put the grievances in different categories.

The ones which are not evidenced might be "unsubstantiated impressions" whereas the ones which are both evidenced and rebutted/discussed might be "resolution attempts at real issues" whereas the ones which are evidenced but ignored might be "unanswered complaints."

You seem to be hiding behind the moderator pulling of all of the crevo threads around the time ALS and C-Jen started posting on them until the evos adopted virtual ignore. Well, that is a lack of a certain kind of evidence for a critical period.

I am not hiding behind anything, Vade. The only agenda that I have here is to improve the discourse.

Are you saying that all the evos in unison have been making things up about ALS for months now?

I am not saying that, but if you can't back up your allegations with evidence, that fact will dilute your assertion in the eyes of Lurkers.

How do you explain us doing that to ALS when we haven't done it to you, AndrewC, gore, Betty, Tribune7, scripter, Heartlander, etc.? I've personally had arguments with all of you, but there has been no concerted campaign to say untrue things about any of you.

We all have different personalities. For instance, the posters you name don't fight fire with fire.

358 posted on 07/28/2003 9:44:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: balrog666
"And maybe I missed it but where did I make such a claim on this thread?"

I see, so you admit they often are not calm, reasoned and logical.

Glad we see eye to eye on that.

359 posted on 07/28/2003 9:45:19 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Alamo-Girl
I am not saying that, but if you can't back up your allegations with evidence, that fact will dilute your assertion in the eyes of Lurkers.

I'm showing the lurkers that showing you what's been going on since at least early June in front of absolutely, positively everyone--except, apparently, you and bb--is a waste of time. What sort of deep sleep did you just awaken from?

When you referred to the deterioration of these threads, whom did you intend to indict? When did you notice something and what was it?

360 posted on 07/28/2003 9:51:53 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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