Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolution

Original scene from the show... Friends. ^ | NA | NA

[Mr.Atos]

I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...

Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!

Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.

Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.

Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.

Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!

Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?

Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!

Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!

Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?

Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?

[AndrewC]

I'm wondering at the finger-pointing emanating from that oxymoronic group, the "reasonable creationists."

Your mask slipped off.

[VadeRetro]

That was no slip and no mask.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for the kudos! Hugs!!!

[ALS]

ahhh an admission

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your agreement!

Revolting behavior is ineluctibly revolting behavior, especially if it claims to serve the interests of "science." (What kind of "science" could that possibly be???)

Indeed!

[ALS]

check it out!

[VadeRetro]

Tribute duly noted. You'll excuse me if I see nothing of yours worth stealing and turning around.

[ALS]

This one's kinda nifty too

help me pick one out

[ALS]

Aren't you the shy one tonight.
Shall we just write you off to the hot air section as well or are you going to be a man and lay it on the line.

C'mon, be different. Step away from the comfort of your pup pack and stand on your own for a change.

[AndrewC]

That was no slip and no mask.

You're the guy that wrote the stickup note on your deposit slip aren't you?

[betty boop]

Are [you] seriously and directly saying you're unaware of any problems with, say, ALS?

Why should I have a problem with ALS? Personally, I have nothing to complain about.

So what, specifically, is your beef?

If your concern is more general, however -- that is, a categorical focusing on the "miscreant behavior" of, say, Christians as a class -- well, we all need to "walk the talk" these days.... IMHO especially people who love God....

BTW, FWIW -- I've been hanging out with ALS for a while now, and have not found anything about this person to object to. Moreoever, I do not get any clear sense of what his "credal confession" (if any) might consist. So if your objection comes from that quarter, truly, I'm clueless.

I gather there are certains "modes of thought" (for lack of a better term) that you rule out from the realm of reason and logic, from the get-go.

Have a good time exploring this problem. Meanwhile, please don't go and shoot yourself in the foot (or more nearly and dearly closer in) in the process.

Good night, VR!

[VadeRetro]

You're the guy that wrote the stickup note on your deposit slip aren't you?

Now that would be STUPID!

If I'm making a deposit I don't need to do a stickup.

[VadeRetro]

So what, specifically, is your beef?

You and AG have been lamenting the deterioration of these threads. This isn't QM. Decays are not spontaneous.

I'll gladly take you through a tour of ALS's posts. No one has a license to lie about what was just said on a thread like ALS. No one. He's Mister False Witness.

Sleep on it, tonight. If you really want to defend his poopings in the punchbowl, you could have an interesting time of it.

If you want to cry about where the civility has gone, you may have to start looking a little closer to home.

[ALS]

woops! there went the fantasy of pitting one against the other.


You just don't understand me vadey. None of you evos do. That's been a killer for you.

And now for the secret as to why...

Evos are clueless about human nature. Here they are wrapped all up in it hour by hour, but thay simply have nothing to hold on to.

Christians, OTOH, they study it daily. They are steeped in understanding it. It's a life or death matter to them.

In your zeal to reject understanding, you've shut the door to your closet.

You stand NO chance at success because of it.

Remember, in the end, the good guy always wins.

[ALS]

"I'll gladly take you through a tour of ALS's posts. No one has a license to lie about what was just said on a thread like ALS. No one. He's Mister False Witness."

False witness? oh?

start posting away. You were asked to and all we see is a tap dance.

well sparky?

You already know the outcome don't you...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post! The discussion ought to be interesting - I'll be watching.

With regard to ALS, I have nothing to complain about either, he's always treated me with kindness and respect.

Hugs to both of y'all!

[ALS]

Thanks for the honest input, again and again and again... :)

[Alamo-Girl]

You are quite welcome and hugs, and hugs, and hugs!!!

[ALS]

Ecclesiastes 4:12
And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

[VadeRetro]

A sample for tonight. More in the morning if anyone wants to play. The kind of lies and personal smears you are waving away for the Lord:

To: dsc

He's not a professor. He just uses that name to mask his ignorance.

468 posted on 07/04/2003 11:17 AM EDT by ALS ("this is a book which contains the basis of natural history for our views" Marx on Origin

The particular quote above was part of an exchange which led to the temporary absence of Right Wing Professor (whose bona fides are available on his profile for all to see). The situation was corrected when ALS got his butt canned, albeit lamentably only for a few days.