Posted on 07/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...
Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!
Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.
Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.
Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.
Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!
Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?
Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!
Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!
Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?
Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?
Your post actually made me laugh out loud! :-)
You had to really parse a compliment from my Dad. "Your kindness will be remembered long after your beauty has faded" was one favorite.
Looks like a Hollywood movie to me.
I do not. However, as to others, while I do not presume to know how others think, it is possible to believe in common descent without believing in Darwinian evolution. The way is that God designed the first living creatures to unfold through a complicated design He set up from the beginning. This still would be in accord with Intelligent Design, and some form of such thinking must be what Behe is talking about when he says he believes in common descent and intelligent design.
Indeed I have said so, but that is not what Darwinian evolution says. It denies design at every step. It also denies that man was created in the image of God and insists that man was created in the image of an ape. So no, Darwinian evolution is totally incompatible with Christianity. Further, it borrows at almost every step from atheism - from the idea of causeless change, to a sort of godless demiurge 'natural selection' that takes the place of the Creator.
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The above example does not say anything regarding whether evolution or ID is correct. ID could make the same claim - that since it was designed by one it would have common features. Further, I am not sure about UGG itself, but the archea have some codes which do not read the same as with the rest of living things.
Heritable differences in phenotypes of organisms. Easily falsifiable if we did not observe changes at the molecular level which lead to these differences (we do).
Not correct. While we do observe mutations, we do not observe mutations which are either favorable or which create greater complexity. Both of these are required for evolution to be true. One thing you leave out of your definition, is that the changes must be towards greater genetic complexity. Humans are much more complex than bacteria and evolution claims that humans eventually descended from bacteria. You need to show changes which create greater genetic complexity. Evolutionists will not treat such a subject in detail. Darwin tried to do so regarding the eye and he had to throw in the word 'imagine' in order to make it sound like he had given such proof when he had not.
It is not a phenomenon and they are not even separate species. The so called scientists did not even bother to test whether they could produce viable offspring between them. So no, they do not show speciation.
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