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Pheobe Debates The Theory of Evolution
Original scene from the show... Friends. ^ | NA | NA

Posted on 07/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by Mr.Atos

I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...

Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!

Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.

Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.

Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.

Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!

Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?

Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!

Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!

Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?

Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?


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To: ThinkPlease
Long lost thread placemarker.
1,821 posted on 08/05/2003 4:58:52 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: AndrewC
Hugs ... more hugs --- extra hugs !
1,822 posted on 08/05/2003 5:01:43 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: VadeRetro
Well, whatever's eating you, at least it has an interesting history.


1,817 posted on 08/05/2003 4:19 PM PDT by VadeRetro


When I was 7 yrs old because I was brainwashed by nuns I ran home to mommy because a school friend of mine was beating me up and I asked her what i should do ... she told me to hit em back --- sissies !
1,823 posted on 08/05/2003 5:21:06 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: ThinkPlease
I second that placemarker!
1,824 posted on 08/05/2003 5:31:30 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
And the same kid a year later ... i was standing 10 ft away in the schoolyard tripped at the church stoop - door and chipped his buck tooth on the brass handle ... nicked it --- and told his mother i pushed him the lying creep !
1,825 posted on 08/05/2003 5:37:21 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: f.Christian
Speaking of hugs, I got this picture in an email from Promisekeepers. Do you think this is a new species of fish or just a very big catfish?


1,826 posted on 08/05/2003 5:55:18 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
It must comfort you to know you have overcome mind-numbing tragedy to become the person you are.
1,827 posted on 08/05/2003 6:08:06 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
It must comfort you to know you have overcome mind-numbing tragedy to become the person you are.

Your post actually made me laugh out loud! :-)

1,828 posted on 08/05/2003 6:12:25 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: AndrewC
Would it be out of order to ask what this stuff is doing on this thread? This whole page has been hijacked by long and unrelated political posts, just when I was getting interested in the ID link.
1,829 posted on 08/05/2003 6:13:23 PM PDT by js1138
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To: RadioAstronomer
Your post actually made me laugh out loud! :-)

You had to really parse a compliment from my Dad. "Your kindness will be remembered long after your beauty has faded" was one favorite.

1,830 posted on 08/05/2003 6:20:04 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Was he a keeper? Or did the catfish let him go?
1,831 posted on 08/05/2003 6:21:26 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Speaking of hugs, I got this picture in an email from Promisekeepers. Do you think this is a new species of fish or just a very big catfish?

Looks like a Hollywood movie to me.

1,832 posted on 08/05/2003 6:25:06 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
If you accept common descent

I do not. However, as to others, while I do not presume to know how others think, it is possible to believe in common descent without believing in Darwinian evolution. The way is that God designed the first living creatures to unfold through a complicated design He set up from the beginning. This still would be in accord with Intelligent Design, and some form of such thinking must be what Behe is talking about when he says he believes in common descent and intelligent design.

1,833 posted on 08/05/2003 6:48:23 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: RightWingNilla
Consider if the design was planned beforehand, and like you said earlier it unfolded during the processes.

Indeed I have said so, but that is not what Darwinian evolution says. It denies design at every step. It also denies that man was created in the image of God and insists that man was created in the image of an ape. So no, Darwinian evolution is totally incompatible with Christianity. Further, it borrows at almost every step from atheism - from the idea of causeless change, to a sort of godless demiurge 'natural selection' that takes the place of the Creator.

1,834 posted on 08/05/2003 6:56:02 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: VadeRetro
You had to really parse a compliment from my Dad

:-)

1,835 posted on 08/05/2003 7:16:03 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: js1138
OK, I apologize for being off topic, but the thread is about Pheobe.
1,836 posted on 08/05/2003 7:20:04 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: RightWingNilla
What I listed above could be used to falsify this claim. Is it my fault the data fits the theory (even to the extent that the codon “UGG” specifies the amino acid tryptophan in all life as we know it?)

The above example does not say anything regarding whether evolution or ID is correct. ID could make the same claim - that since it was designed by one it would have common features. Further, I am not sure about UGG itself, but the archea have some codes which do not read the same as with the rest of living things.

Heritable differences in phenotypes of organisms. Easily falsifiable if we did not observe changes at the molecular level which lead to these differences (we do).

Not correct. While we do observe mutations, we do not observe mutations which are either favorable or which create greater complexity. Both of these are required for evolution to be true. One thing you leave out of your definition, is that the changes must be towards greater genetic complexity. Humans are much more complex than bacteria and evolution claims that humans eventually descended from bacteria. You need to show changes which create greater genetic complexity. Evolutionists will not treat such a subject in detail. Darwin tried to do so regarding the eye and he had to throw in the word 'imagine' in order to make it sound like he had given such proof when he had not.

1,837 posted on 08/05/2003 7:20:12 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: js1138
I already responded to that very quote in post# 1756. No need to do so again.
1,838 posted on 08/05/2003 7:26:03 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: Condorman
Not to mention the phenomenon of ring species. Salamanders in the US southwest and the songbirds in China pop to mind.

It is not a phenomenon and they are not even separate species. The so called scientists did not even bother to test whether they could produce viable offspring between them. So no, they do not show speciation.

1,839 posted on 08/05/2003 7:30:05 PM PDT by gore3000 (Intelligent people do not believe in evolution.)
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To: AndrewC
Who's Phoebe? ;^)
1,840 posted on 08/06/2003 5:32:38 AM PDT by js1138
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