Posted on 07/24/2003 1:55:39 PM PDT by Mr.Atos
I was just lisening to Medved debating Creationism with Athiests on the air. I found it interesting that while Medved argued his side quite effectively from the standpoint of faith, his opponents resorted to condescension and beliitled him with statements like, "when it rains, is that God crying?" I was reminded of the best (at least most amusing)debate that I have ever heard on the subject of Creationism vs Evolution, albeit a fictional setting. It occurred on the show, Friends of all places between the characters Pheobe (The Hippy) and Ross (The Paleontologist). It went like this...
Pheebs: Okay...it's very faint, but I can still sense him in the building...GO INTO THE LIGHT MR. HECKLES!!
Ross: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, uh, you don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: Nah. Not really. Ross: You don't believe in evolution? Pheebs: I don't know. It's just, ya know, monkeys, Darwin, ya know, it's a, it's a nice story. I just think it's a little too easy.
Ross: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact. Like, like, the air we breathe, like gravity... Pheebs: Uh, okay, don't get me started on gravity.
Ross: You uh, you don't believe in gravity? Pheebs: Well, it's not so much that ya know, like I don't *believe* in it, ya know. It's just...I don't know. Lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down, as I am being pushed.
Ross: How can you NOT BELIEVE in evolution? Pheebs: [shrugs] I unh-huh...Look at this funky shirt!!
Ross: Well, there ya go. Pheebs: Huh. So now, the REAL question is: who put those fossils there, and why...?
Ross: OPPOSABLE THUMBS!! Without evolution, how do YOU explain OPPOSABLE THUMBS?!? Pheebs: Maybe the overlords needed them to steer their spacecrafts!
Pheebs: Uh-oh! Scary Scientist Man!
Pheebs: Okay, Ross? Could you just open your mind like, *this* much?? Okay? Now wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in the world believed that the Earth was flat? And up until what, like, fifty years ago, you all thought the atom was the smallest thing, until you split it open, and this like, whole mess o' crap came out! Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny, tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?!?
Pheebs: I can't believe you caved. Ross: What? Pheebs: You just ABANDONED your whole belief system! I mean, before, I didn't agree with you, but at least I respected you. Ross: But uh.. Pheebs: Yeah...how...how are you gonna go in to work tomorrow? How...how are you gonna face the other science guys? How...how are you gonna face yourself? Oh! [Ross runs away dejected] Pheebs: That was fun. So who's hungry?
Oh, yeah! I got pull here!
I don't think you know what an IP address is. I think you think it means 'internet provider'.
Everytime you access a web page, you send your client's IP address, ALS. You have to, because the web server has to know where to send the content that's being requested. (You can get around this with a proxy, but it slows you down). And the web server logs every IP address of everyone who's accessed it. It's an important security feature, in case anyone tries silly games with the httpd port. Anyone who runs a server know this; JR knows this, of course; and maybe if he's feeling particularly patient he might give you a brief lesson on how it all works.
Could you hum a few bars for us?
Makes we wonder why anyone bothers with Kazaa.
Great we have a management that's willing to make those tough decisions!
It is now.
Well, AT LEAST THEY HAVEN'T BANNED THAT DEAR SOUL ALS yet.
Trying your magic again?
Admit it: The download time was way quicker than Kazaa! (Maybe I should write it up as a software patent...)It goes "da DA da da da da, da, da, da, da, da dadada DA dadadaaaaa, dadada, DA, da, da, dadadadada, DA da da, da da da, da, DAAAAAAAA."
Makes we wonder why anyone bothers with Kazaa.
Somewhere between 1458 and 1462 all is disclosed. More or less. Anyway, it's around there.
That's because we've seen him talk (at least on film).
"Hey, we've got the equations. Who needs anything else?"
I have an analogy for you. Do you fully understand God? Do you have a visual image that you could convey on paper or other media? A metaphor that can't be overextended?
I think you are having trouble with the notion that science can study and reliably predict phenomena for which there are no really good images or metaphors. In such a case it may take generations for the culture to find a way of talking about the phenomena. Do you suppose the people of Aristotle's time could have easily coped with Newton's equations? Before you answer I'd like you ponder the concepts of zero and infinity and how they relate to calculus. Both concepts are relatively modern.
You are taking it out of context and your post does not address what I was discussing which was Christian bashing. In that regard, you and another evolutionist are certainly 'fifth columnists' trying to pass yourselves off as Christians.
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