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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000

In Cobb County, Ga., controversy erupted this spring when school board officials decided to affix "disclaimer stickers" to science textbooks, alerting students that "evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things."

The stickers were the Cobb County District School Board's response to intelligent design theory, which holds that the complexity of DNA and the diversity of life forms on our planet and beyond can be explained only by an extra-natural intelligent agent. The ID movement -- reminiscent of creationism but more nuanced and harder to label -- has been quietly gaining momentum in a number of states for several years, especially Georgia and Ohio.

Stickers on textbooks are only the latest evidence of the ID movement's successes to date, though Cobb County officials did soften their position somewhat in September following a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. In a subsequent policy statement, officials said the biological theory of evolution is a "disputed view" that must be "balanced" in the classroom, taking into account other, religious teachings.

Surely, few would begrudge ID advocates their views or the right to discuss the concept as part of religious studies. At issue, rather, is whether ID theory, so far unproven by scientific facts, should be served to students on the same platter with the well-supported theory of evolution.

How the Cobb County episode will affect science students remains uncertain since, as the National Center for Science Education noted, the amended policy statement included "mixed signals."

But it's clear that the ID movement is quickly emerging as one of the more significant threats to U.S. science education, fueled by a sophisticated marketing campaign based on a three-pronged penetration of the scientific community, educators and the general public.

In Ohio, the state's education board on Oct. 14 passed a unanimous though preliminary vote to keep ID theory out of the state's science classrooms. But the board's ruling left the door open for local school districts to present ID theory together with science and suggested that scientists should "continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

In fact, even while the state-level debate continued, the Patrick Henry Local School District, based in Columbus, passed a motion this June to support "the idea of intelligent design being included as appropriate in classroom discussions in addition to other scientific theories."

Undaunted by tens of thousands of e-mails it has already received on the topic, the state's education board is now gamely inviting further public comment through November. In December, Ohio's Board of Education will vote to conclusively determine whether alternatives to evolution should be included in new guidelines that spell out what students need to know about science at different grade levels.

Meanwhile, ID theorists reportedly have been active in Missouri, Kansas, New Mexico, New Jersey and other states as well as Ohio and Georgia.

What do scientists think of all this? We have great problems with the claim that ID is a scientific theory or a science-based alternative to evolutionary theory. We don't question its religious or philosophical underpinnings. That's not our business. But there is no scientific evidence underlying ID theory.

No relevant research has been done; no papers have been published in scientific journals. Because it has no science base, we believe that ID theory should be excluded from science curricula in schools.

In fact, the Board of Directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest general scientific society in the world, passed a resolution this month urging policy-makers to keep intelligent design theory out of U.S. science classrooms.

Noting that the United States has promised to "leave no child behind," the AAAS Board found that intelligent design theory -- if presented within science courses as factually based -- is likely to confuse American schoolchildren and undermine the integrity of U.S. science education. At a time when standards-based learning and performance assessments are paramount, children would be better served by keeping scientific information separate from religious concepts.

Certainly, American society supports and encourages a broad range of viewpoints and the scientific community is no exception. While this diversity enriches the educational experience for students, science and conceptual belief systems should not be co-mingled, as ID proponents have repeatedly proposed.

The ID argument that random mutations in nature and natural selection, for example, are too complex for scientific explanation is an interesting -- and for some, highly compelling -- philosophical or theological concept. Unfortunately, it's being put forth as a scientifically based alternative to the theory of biological evolution, and it isn't based on science. In sum, there's no data to back it up, and no way of scientifically testing the validity of the ideas proposed by ID advocates.

The quality of U.S. science education is at stake here. We live in an era when science and technology are central to every issue facing our society -- individual and national security, health care, economic prosperity, employment opportunities.

Children who lack an appropriate grounding in science and mathematics, and who can't discriminate what is and isn't evidence, are doomed to lag behind their well-educated counterparts. America's science classrooms are certainly no place to mix church and state.

Alan I. Leshner is CEO of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and executive publisher of the journal Science; www.aaas.org


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To: ApesForEvolution
Evotards?

Is that the best you can do, because you disagree with us, you have to call us names?

Remember that you started the name calling, NOT us, I only responded in kind.

If you have something to say, please say it, acting like some kind of juvenile delinquent without his toy is NOT a way to get the adults to talk to you.

You are on ignore, until I see something of a mature adult in your attitude, otherwise, you are virtually turned off.

Children should be seen and not heard, therefore I am now deaf to your little childlike whining and namecalling.
841 posted on 06/23/2003 8:30:20 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: bondserv
I agree :)
842 posted on 06/23/2003 8:30:21 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Dr. Dino is a wonderful man of God and I repect him. Please be nice.

I was being nice.

I just suggested that he might want to check out Dr. Dino more thoroughly before using him as a reference. Here are two links that may interest you also.

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind_page.htm

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/

843 posted on 06/23/2003 8:31:10 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: goodseedhomeschool
The usual complaint is that the fossil record doesn't record the fine-grained changes (speciation-level). In the instances where it does, the creo escape is "It's still a shell/dinosaur/fish!" Well, that's speciation, not the formation of a new genus or family.

But, as Gould said, there are plenty of examples of transitions between higher taxa. (Mammals to reptiles are one sterling example.) But they tend to be coarse-grained enough to permit a creo escape of "But where are the transitionals BETWEEN those forms?"

Catch-22 debating tricks are not science.

844 posted on 06/23/2003 8:32:27 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bondserv
The information I have read concerning Kent Hovind by no means makes me baulk at his presentation or his integrity. (I have perused many anti-Hovind sights and they are juvenile. None attempt to examine the body of evidence he presents with any merit).

Here's an anti-Hovind article you cannot wish away.

845 posted on 06/23/2003 8:33:08 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
You have a good one. I'm out for the night.
846 posted on 06/23/2003 8:34:22 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: RadioAstronomer
Yes, I have seen those nasty sites. I think they hate him more because he makes sense than for anythin else. I know it is my opinion, but I trust his site much more than those. There are a lot of anti-hovind sites out there. I asked him once how he flet about that, he said it is to be expected. When you ruffle feathers, you know what i mean? I learned more about science from him that I ever did in my $30.000.00 a year private school or college. He really made a lot of things make sense. You would like him if you met him. He is so nice.
847 posted on 06/23/2003 8:34:51 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: VadeRetro
"Did I miss anything while trying to be productive?" PLACEMARKER.
848 posted on 06/23/2003 8:35:07 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: goodseedhomeschool
Sorry about the spelling guys, this laptop is soooo tiny.
849 posted on 06/23/2003 8:35:52 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: VadeRetro
Good night :)
850 posted on 06/23/2003 8:36:27 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: goodseedhomeschool
OK, nothing is EXACTLY like anything else, even within the same species, humans ALL look different, unless they are identical twins.

A horse of 2 million years ago would of course recognize it's offspring as the same, but 500,000 years later, if it lived that long, it would NOT recognize it's own species, and if it lived a million years, it's species would be unrecognizable to it, but from generation to generation, the differences are SO SLIGHT, that there is no real difference, it is the addition of all the different changes OVER a LONG period of time, that causes the changes into a new species.

THere might even be a member of the species it came from in a different part of the world, but by the time you put those 2 creatures together, they would be unable to reproduce with each other, that is why they would be different species.

Micro evolutionary changes added to over a LONG period of time, create a Macroevolution that changes the original species into something else, the transitionals will NOT be noticeable, except over a VERY long period of time.

THat is a VERY basic explanation, there are so many variables that would cause these changes that it is insane. But the basics are there.
851 posted on 06/23/2003 8:41:18 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: bondserv
He has clearly spent much time in his pursuit of the truth, more than I can say for most.

I respectfully disagree. Take a look at the links I posted in #843.

852 posted on 06/23/2003 8:41:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Aric2000
I am not sure if they had the opportunity that they could not reproduce. I would not know. I see your point though.
853 posted on 06/23/2003 8:43:21 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: RadioAstronomer
trolls are suddenly quiet placemarker
854 posted on 06/23/2003 8:43:51 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: goodseedhomeschool
You would like him if you met him. He is so nice.

Possibly I would. That still does not make him a scientist.

855 posted on 06/23/2003 8:45:38 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
I do not think he has ever claimed to be a scientist. He taught science to high school.
856 posted on 06/23/2003 8:46:49 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: CyberCowboy777
The gathering of data for years and years is not the scientific method, only a part. The Evolution theories (more than one) have never completed the scientific method.

If one conducts scientific investigations for years and years and gathers data in the process using the scientific method---that's science. If one does it for one hour--that's science. The time is irrelevant to the process. To say, "the evolution series never completed the scientific method," makes no sense. You write like English is not your native language and like science is alien to you. Your statements border on the nonsensical.

857 posted on 06/23/2003 8:47:16 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: RadioAstronomer
I think that Dr. Hovind, you , myself or anyone eles need not be a scientist to understand many things. We can all read the work of a scientist, their data, conclusions. I think the way we understand some things might come from a pre-bias that we all have when we decide the conclusions. In hypothetical theories, our bias is always the basis for our conclusions . IMHO
858 posted on 06/23/2003 8:51:31 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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To: JudgemAll
Wrong. ID has been corroborated by atheist scientists, indicating that evolution does not follow the full chaotic pattern of Darwin, but chaos with a strange attractor. Hence evolution carries its very own DNA like program. Check the work by D'Ambricourt.

If ID had been corroborated you would hear the news on every street corner in the world.

859 posted on 06/23/2003 8:52:08 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: jennyp
I will admit I didn't read the entire article, but I would fall on the side of Hovind in this arguement.

What I immediately picked up from AIG is their desire to be the determiner if an arguement is valid or not, and whether the "new information" pertaining to that topic refutes the old arguement.

I will read the rest of the article when I get time, but I disagree with AIG's attempt to OVERSEE all other ministries relating to apologetics or creation.

A Christian principle, that is biblical, is to call to account those in the body, but within the church. That is why it is forbidden to sue another Christian. Not all Christians abide by this principle however.

I personally have an apologetics ministry of which I refuse to publically criticize the errors that I may think AIG may have made.

At the point of disagreement is where this should have ended.
860 posted on 06/23/2003 9:02:02 PM PDT by bondserv
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