'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms

Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 11/22/2002 | ALAN I. LESHNER

[goodseedhomeschool]

Here are a few:
Biological Science: Inquiry into life (yellow version) Hartcort Brace, Javanovich,
BSCS by Holt Rinehart
some versions by Merrill, Scott Foresman and more. These texts are saturated with that and much evolution.

[Servant of the Nine]

1. Why only one original being at the origin and not four or five?

Because it is highly improbable that multiple seperate origins would all have the same 4 amino acids in their DNA/RNA out of all the amino acids available

2. Why is the environment never evolving dynamicaly but is static with Darwin's theory? Hence Darwin does not reflect relativistic aspects of evolution and social adaptation, let alone super adaptation through calculation.

3. While quantum mechanics show a change in speed of the particle as its position is observed, so does animal behavior change when it feel observed or not. This form of unknown and behavior of adaptation to the unknown is not even touched upon the primitive deterministic naive Darwinian approach.

Because you are reading 19th Century Darwinian Evolution, not current theory.

4. And while a tree branch grows thanks to a DNA program, in chaotic manner with a strange attractor, so has evolution seemed to follow a strange attractor and a program. The "DNA" of ID has not been found, but it can be programmed in a computer to create intelligently evolving machines, just as regular full chaotic evolution can be programmed too but with lesser effectiveness.

I think that is a matter of perception, not actuality, akin too the Anthropic Principle in physics.

So9

[goodseedhomeschool]

Oh, and I have also seen it's reference in History texts as well. Please don't major on the minor, the old bait and swtch won't work here. Ever since that theory surfaced, it has been included in many textbooks. Not to mention movies like Jurassic Park.

[CyberCowboy777]

If in reality, everything we believe is a theory, then reality is theory.

You have more faith than any Christian I know.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Mel and Gloria Gabler In Texas can provide you with all the details you would want in this matter. If you go to their website, they will be glad to send you any info you need as far as which books contain it and more.

[atlaw]

The level of discourse does seem to have degenerated sharply. It is also interesting to see that the factoids usually tossed out to rebut evolution (moon dust, dino/man tracks, seawater salinity, etc.) have been reduced of late to a monolitic "no evidence" argument. Shouting "no evidence" over and over (even in the face of evidence) seems preferable these days to having your favorite anti-evolution silver bullet jam in the magazine again.

There has, however, been one entertaining aspect to these recent threads -- the development of alternatives to the worn out epithet "evilutionist". ALS and ApesForEvolution have contributed on this thread alone: crap religion; crap theory; evotards; evolunacy; e-loons; evo-mantra; evo-lie; and convolutionists. Granted, this seems to be all they've contributed, but the bar ain't real high with these folks, so let's give credit where credit is due.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I have read so many school textbooks in the last 5 years Dimensio. I have been on several textbook selection commitees and more. When I started homeschooling my son, I spent over a year at a textbook recycling warehouse just trying to find the right books to use.

[goodseedhomeschool]

BTW I selected Abeka and Apologia for Physical science, Biology and Chemistry. They are outstanding. I am still on the fence for Physics. Since my child will be a sophmore next year, I am still on the lookout for one.

[goodseedhomeschool]

Mel Gabler
"What are they teaching our children"
P.O. Box 7518
Longview, TX 75607
fax: (903)753-7788

Good Book to read: Textbooks on Trial by: James C. Hefley

[goodseedhomeschool]

Every parent in America with a child in public school next year must insist on viewing the content of every textbook their child will use. If you don't, then you may regret it. Some schools will try to prevent you, but be insistant.

[balrog666]

There has, however, been one entertaining aspect to these recent threads -- the development of alternatives to the worn out epithet "evilutionist". ALS and ApesForEvolution have contributed on this thread alone: crap religion; crap theory; evotards; evolunacy; e-loons; evo-mantra; evo-lie; and convolutionists. Granted, this seems to be all they've contributed, but the bar ain't real high with these folks, so let's give credit where credit is due.

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

[balrog666]

It isn't all they've contributed. ALS has set a new low standard for truthfulness, and has spammed the threads with irrelevant images that discourage modem types from browing the thread. Gore has contributed a false bibliography in an attempt to prove Stephen Gould to be a communist. These are serious contributions, and the fact that others on their side haven't called them on it says something about the quality of their character.

That's all true, but it's nothing new. Unfortunately.

[CyberCowboy777]

And the one thing I have learned for certain, is how little I know,....

If only all mankind could understand this simple fact, the arrogance of science and man in general is actually laughable.

The one thing I know is how little I know.

[CyberCowboy777]

No replies to that? interesting

[PatrickHenry]

Hard to believe this thread hasn't been pulled yet placemarker.

Festival of ignorance proving that civilization is doomed placemarker.

[CyberCowboy777]

empirical support?

Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws

or

Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis

[f.Christian]

"One irony of this painstakingly cautious approach is that ... naturalism may die of natural causes --- before ID advocates reach steps two or three. In the upper echelons of research and scholarship, naturalistic theories’ frailty is more and more freely acknowledged. Even if ID proponents do nothing to expose the inadequacies and inconsistencies of its explanation for the cosmos and life, naturalism may self-destruct."

"Winning the argument for design without identifying the designer yields, at best, a sketchy origins model. Such a model makes little if any positive impact on the community of scientists and other scholars. Such a model does not lend itself to verification, nor can it make specific, credible predictions. On both counts, scholars, particularly scientists, would be reluctant to acknowledge the concept’s viability and give it serious attention. Nor does this approach offer them spiritual direction."

"As I speak on university campuses and elsewhere, I see a larger challenge to Christianity than naturalism: the challenge of a vague or idiosyncratic spirituality, faith detached from objective truth and legitimate spiritual authority. In fact, virtually all forms of spirituality except Christianity seem in vogue with the new “spiritual” people, who tend to be less receptive than nontheists to the Christian gospel. In other words, leading a nontheist to a belief in an “intelligent designer” could do more spiritual harm than good."

[CyberCowboy777]

Evolution is SCIENCE, NOT a belief system as you creos like to claim.

Scientific process is not the oracle of truth. We often apply science to a belief (hypothesis (and some have been pretty dumb)) and try to verify the belief, the fact that the belief is going through the process does not make it truth or fact.

[ALS]

"I am a scientist and I agree with Aric2000. Given some scientific evidence for ID I would have no problem with it being taught but since ID is thinly disguised religious dogma it has no place in a science class."



Evolution is thinly disguised crap dogma. A REAL scientist keeps thinking. You seem to have given up.

Hang in there, science will come around eventually, if we can weed out the dogmatists.