If Secession Was Illegal - then How Come...?

The Patriotist ^ | 2003 | Al Benson, Jr.

[GOPcapitalist]

Check out 399. Fakeit's got himself a cheerleader. Talk about the blind leading the blind!

[GOPcapitalist]

oops. that should have read 699

[justshutupandtakeit]

It is totally relevent if he REALLY believe that territory was not truly destined to be part of the United States of America. But he either didn't or he was a hypocrit.

The Slaver's treason would have been condemned by any accurate interpretation of the constitution. No trials were held after the War for political reasons not legal ones. They would have been slam dunks.

[WhiskeyPapa]

I'll take that as a concession that you cannot support your previous claim. It wouldn't be the first time either.

My "claim" is amply supported. The president has plenty of emergency power to fight rebellion and insurection.

Refute it.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

My original request to you was to quote the opinions themselves in which, per your own words, "The Court has ruled, in several cases, that the president -can- suspend the Writ."

That's why there are these things called "books".

Refute what Dr. Farber said.

The president has plenty of power in the Constitution -- the Courts have said so -- See Luther v. Borden, among others, or get back up on te porch because you -cannot- run with the big dogs.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

It wasn't the states that put down the rebellion. It was the people.

Yawn. Where do you keep getting all of this intellectually light weight tripe, Walt?

Pull out a dollar bill. Does it say "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", or does it name some other entity?

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

It is the old "Lincoln is perfect therefore what his critics say is wrong, and since his critics are all wrong he must be perfect" game that they play.

No one ever says that Lincoln was perfect.

But he was a great and good hearted man, and your carping won't change that.

Walt

[Twinkie]

HILLARY CLINTON!

[4CJ]

Go back and read his earlier exchanges to see it all in his own words. The absurdity of it all is hilarious! I think we have a challenger to Wlat for the most willfully obtuse display of idiocy around here.

It's basically a crap-shoot as to who on their side pops up as the neo-con of the day. With all due respect to Walt, he seems to be losing his position. Once one pops up and posts a plethora of inane opinions and insults, he quickly calls for the others to have a little circle-jerk of celebratory back slapping & high fives.

[capitan_refugio]

"Punishment ex post facto is unconstitutional."

What a maroon. This is a Constitutional Amendment! It can't be unconstitutional!

[WhiskeyPapa]

Jefferson Davis renounced his US citizenship...

You try it.

Don't pay a nickel in taxes.

You'll wind up like Davis did - in chains.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

With all due respect to Walt, he seems to be losing his position.

With all due respect -- definitely a negative value -- why do't you address what Dr. Farber said? He cites a number of cases. He's a professor of law. The president has plenty of power to put down rebellion and insurrection. The Supreme Court said so well before the Civil War.

Have at it.

Taney is not your boy any more. Not -only- did he write his son in 1856 lamenting that the Union would not be dissolved, but he also flipped 180 degrees from what he said in Borden from what he wrote in Merryman.

I don't know what President Lincoln's thought process was, but he may have thought after the Merryman opinion came down that he could just ignore the old fool.

That concept would probably apply to you also, but it is a beautiful night in Atlanta, I have a cold beer right here, and I am having a good enough time watching you attack me rather than address the record.

Walt

[colorado tanker]

Hi, "Wlat"! Just read the last hundred posts. Have I fallen into the Twilight Zone???

[Non-Sequitur]

...he quickly calls for the others to have a little circle-jerk of celebratory back slapping & high fives.

Interesting comment, seeing as 678 was sent to the sothron circle.

[nolu chan]

[Walt] [Quoting Farber] In any event, if prior congressional authorization was needed, it probably did exist. In the special secession called by Lincoln, Congress ratified all of his orders relating to the militia or armed forces.

Could you kindly identify the Joint Resolution of Congress that purportedly ratified all of Lincoln's unlawful acts?

Could you kindly identify when that Joint Resolution was voted on and passed by the Senate?

Thank you so much, kind Sir.

[GOPcapitalist]

Pull out a dollar bill. Does it say "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", or does it name some other entity?

Typical Wlat non-response. That has absolutely nothing to do with your absurd claim that "the people" put down the rebellion.

[GOPcapitalist]

That's why there are these things called "books".

And your book doesn't substantiate your claim. Cite the cases or I may only conclude that you do not have them.

Refute what Dr. Farber said.

No need to. His passage does not demonstrate your claim in the first place and is therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

The president has plenty of power in the Constitution -- the Courts have said so -- See Luther v. Borden, among others, or get back up on te porch because you -cannot- run with the big dogs.

Irrelevant to this discussion. Your claim was "The Court has ruled, in several cases, that the president -can- suspend the Writ." You have yet to cite even ONE such case, so put up or shut up.

[GOPcapitalist]

My "claim" is amply supported. The president has plenty of emergency power to fight rebellion and insurection.

But NOT to unilaterally suspend habeas corpus. You stated "The Court has ruled, in several cases, that the president -can- suspend the Writ."

Quote those cases - any one of them. Otherwise I'll continue to take it as a concession that you don't have anything.

[Live free or die]

Just wanted to contribute on behalf of the Old Dominion.

[Gianni]

a little circle-jerk of celebratory back slapping & high fives

So I'm not the only one noticing this is more common lately. Maybe we should try it:

Well said GOPcap! Good Job 4CJ! Excellent Ping Stainless! Let's see these neo-feds deny it!

Naah, not my thing... maybe if I randomly insert dash-marks and bold words, or even letters within words:

Jefferson couldn't have -meant- what he said because I keep my lawn mowed at 3 inches... Everyone knows that *3* inches will help choke the weeds.

Hmmmm... that really doesn't turn me on either. Maybe I'll just keep asking whether self-rule is an important concept embodied in our constitution and see if they ever answer.