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To: tpaine
The gungrabbers play 'gottcha' on logic, and win.

True enough. I agree that it should not be a logic battle between full auto and semi auto or any battle about cosmetic appearance. "Shall not be infringed" is absolute.

Realistically though, do you really think we can win by taking a stand that all restrictions including NFA are unconstitutional? While it's undoubtedly true, don't you think that claiming that full auto/semi auto makes no difference will lose us ground as the screaming libs shake the soccer moms crying "now they want to put machine guns on the streets!"

I am only interested in keeping and expanding our RKBA.

292 posted on 05/12/2003 2:14:58 PM PDT by Sender
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To: Sender
Sender, your post #85 was a great example of why you, and 'we' all lose by conceding that it is 'reasonable' to ban machine guns, then argue against 'regulating' semi-autos that function the same if the trigger is pulled fast enough..
The gungrabbers play 'gottcha' on logic, and win.

They have won in CA to all intents/purposes..
It is doubtful that the USSC will even hear the 9th Circuits 'collective right' BS, and even Bush/Ashcroft agree that prohibitive 'regulations', as above, are constitutional. - We are losing our RKBA's in a battle of a thousand cuts..
96 posted by tpaine

True enough. I agree that it should not be a logic battle between full auto and semi auto or any battle about cosmetic appearance. "Shall not be infringed" is absolute.
Realistically though, do you really think we can win by taking a stand that all restrictions including NFA are unconstitutional?

Obviously, if we would have done that back in '34, we wouldn't be in this mess.

While it's undoubtedly true, don't you think that claiming that full auto/semi auto makes no difference will lose us ground as the screaming libs shake the soccer moms crying "now they want to put machine guns on the streets!"

It has to be stopped. - Appeasement & calm reason have not worked. It is insanity to continue pretending that it will.

The USSC, and the political PTB have to be convinced in no uncertain terms that they MUST overrule the 9th circuit, to avoid a constitutional crisis.
That will be a messy task, imo, not a polite one.

I am only interested in keeping and expanding our RKBA.

Time to take a firm stand that ALL the infringments to date are clearly repugnant to the constitution, as written. -- Let those who want change lobby for an amendment..

293 posted on 05/12/2003 3:03:51 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.,)
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