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The Unmaking of Conservatism
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2003/030424.shtml ^

Posted on 05/09/2003 4:14:34 AM PDT by Continental Op

The Unmaking of Conservatism

Joe Sobran

April 24, 2003 Conservatism — or at least something calling itself conservatism — is now fashionable, and those who claim the label are triumphant today. Their government has just won a war, and they can afford to gloat not only over liberals, but over an older breed of conservatives who are suspicious of big government even when (or especially when) it’s winning.

When I began to consider myself a conservative, back in 1965, conservatism didn’t seem to have much of a future. Lyndon Johnson had just crushed Barry Goldwater in what looked like a final showdown between the philosophies of limitless and limited government. I was clearly enlisting in a losing cause.

But that, in a way, was what attracted me to conservatism. It was a philosophy of reflective losers, men whose principles and memories gave them resistance to the conquering fad and its propaganda. Such men hoped for victory, naturally, but they were fighting heavy odds, fierce passions, and powerful interests. They were ready for defeat, but they weren’t going to adjust their principles in order to win. They knew that if you win power by giving up your principles, you’ve already lost.

I was a college student, and my reading in English literature had already predisposed me to conservatism. The great writers I admired — Shakespeare, Jonathan Swift, Samuel Johnson, Edmund Burke, John Henry Newman, G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, George Orwell, Michael Oakeshott — were all notable for opposing the fads and enthusiasms of their times. They took being in the minority for granted. They even treasured solitude and meditation. Their minds and hearts were closed to statist propaganda and the passions it sought to incite, and they were prepared to endure abuse and libel for refusing to join the herd — especially what has been wittily called “the herd of independent minds.”

It soon turned out that the Goldwater campaign marked only the beginning, not the end, of a powerful new conservative movement, which astonished itself by managing to get one of its own, Ronald Reagan, elected president in 1980. Few had imagined this possible in 1965.

But by winning power, the conservative movement began to loose its grip on conservative principles. It had hoped to reverse the gains of liberalism — not only Johnson’s Great Society, but Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, both of which had violated America’s constitutional tradition of strictly limited and federal government. Now it quietly dropped its original goals.

As a powerful movement, conservatism also attracted new members who were more interested in power than in principle. Some of these were called “neoconservatives” — admirers of Roosevelt and recent supporters of Lyndon Johnson who cared nothing for limited government and the U.S. Constitution. Few of them, if any, had voted for Goldwater.

The chief common ground between the conservatives and the neocons was an anti-Communist foreign policy. All talk of deeper principles — and of repealing the welfare state — was discreetly dropped for the sake of harmony within the movement and political victory.

The conservatives wanted to keep the neocons within the movement. In this they succeeded only too well. Today the neocons have not only stayed; they have taken over the movement and pushed the principled conservatives out — or cowed them into silence, which comes to the same thing.

The older conservatives were wary of foreign entanglements and opposed on principle to foreign aid. But these are the very things the neocons favor most ardently; in fact, they are the very things that define neoconservatism and separate it from genuine conservatism.

As the neocon Max Boot recently wrote, “Support for Israel [is] a key tenet of neoconservatism.” He failed to name any other “key” tenets, because there aren’t any. War against Arab and Muslim regimes — enemies of Israel — is what it’s all about. Reagan’s all-out support for Israel, when Jimmy Carter was toying with Palestinian rights, is what won him neocon support in 1980.

A Rip Van Winkle conservative who had dozed off in 1965 would wake up in 2003 to find a movement that has almost nothing to do with the creed he professed when he last closed his eyes. It also has nothing to do with the conservative temper we find in the great writers of the past. It has everything to do with a shallow jingoism and war propaganda. It has become the sort of hot fad wise conservatives used to avoid, back when wise conservatives still defined conservatism.


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To: Consort
No law is unconstitutional until it is declared to be so. All laws on the books have to be obeyed, and enforced at a cost, even if they are "unconstitutional", until repealed or declared unconstitutional.

That is perhaps the most ridiculous statement I have seen on this thread. Anything that goes against the Constitution is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! You might feel comfortable living under a judicial oligarchy, but not me.

Compare your ludicrous remarks with Ben Franklin's:

"It is every American's right, and obligation, to read and interpret the Constitution for himself."

It's a good thing our founding fathers didn't share your unique view of liberty. What a shameless display of willful ignorance.

101 posted on 05/12/2003 8:31:08 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: hchutch
That must be why Sobran and others reacted so harshly to David Frum's article. The truth hit hard, and it hurt pretty bad, didn't it?

Let's just say that many of us didn't realize how bad things had become until that blowhard Frum was granted sainthood by the neocon left.

102 posted on 05/12/2003 8:33:41 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: B. A. Conservative
Your assessment of where we stand at this point in our history is right on as far as I'm concerned. As far as any discussion of FREEDOM is concerned, I really don't know if many of our fellow citizens really know what true FREEDOM even looks like. Our whole existence revolves around rules, regulations, permits, fees, licenses, ordinances and even a few laws that might even be constitutional in nature. This blizzard of above mentioned tools of gov't. have us so tied up in knots and running in our collective squirrel cages to a degree where very little time and effort is available to even recognize and create a defense for overbearing gov't at all levels.

I never ceased to be amazed at those who back those politicians that support open borders, one-sided trade deals, incessant growth in fedgov power and welfare programs, fedgov intrusion into our schools, sending billions of our hard-earned tax dollars overseas to the crooks running these third world countries, etc. yet still consider these pols to still be "conservative". What is so conservative about letting corporations (many of which are foreign) craft immigration policies that let many illegals flood in and creating a pool of labor that can be paid minimal wages while the rest of many of their living expenses are passed on to an ever shrinking supply of taxpayers. This nonsense borders on social, political and economic suicide. In simple terms, fedgov policies are allowing many illegals to live the good life at our expense, but what happens when the welfare $ stop flowing to all these millions who can't speak our language, have no skills and really care nothing about what it means to be an American. The possibility of this scenario grows by the day and I really believe if there is a CW2 it will be due to this disastrous corporate welare policy.

This country can be rescued from those that seek to destroy it from within but it will take a monumental effort from motivated, educated on the law (Constitutional, not administrative/ statutory) and have a fervent desire to be their own personal "statesman" as opposed to those who just want to engage in "politics". Count me in as one who wishes to take a statesman-like approach to our problems so that we can guarantee a better future for upcoming generations.


103 posted on 05/12/2003 8:34:00 AM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: Continental Op
But by winning power, the conservative movement began to loose its grip on conservative principles.

I find it hard to take Sobran seriesly.

104 posted on 05/12/2003 8:35:35 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: B. A. Conservative
it is not that i think we should form a new country, but attempt to take our country back from the bureaucrats. government has devolved into a power hungry body and missing are the statesman to sever the succle hold on the vast teat of taxation... sorry for the hyperbolic alliteration...we, the states have relinquished too much sovereignty to the central gov't and now must beg for the money they take from our citizens... enough is enough, but when the pressure is too much no one can tell, for the greatest force can be applied to keep the lid on, ie irs, martial law, know your bank customer, etc...

what is the answer? change from within and swiftly, for the courts are settling into a radical position of power also...

jmt, teeman
105 posted on 05/12/2003 8:35:48 AM PDT by teeman8r
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
And Conservatives like Sobran, I guess, are supportive of liberty and freedom for America but rather indifferent about helping to spread liberty to other countries. That may have been fine during the time of the Founders, but in the modern world, spreading liberty throughout the globe should be a priority for "Conservatives" of all stripes in this country (and not just the so-called "Neo-Cons).

Incredible!

Apparently you come from the Woodrow Wilson school of conservatism!

106 posted on 05/12/2003 8:36:32 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: american spirit
Our whole existence revolves around rules, regulations, permits, fees, licenses, ordinances and even a few laws that might even be constitutional in nature.

OK, so you'd support my right to build an explosives factory right next door to your house, without any permits, fees, licenses, regulations, or ordinances to govern my activities?

107 posted on 05/12/2003 8:37:10 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: philosofy123
No

Yes. Your post was correct, but selective because you addressed it to one of the offending parties. One called the other's screen name and the other responded as a result, yet you saw fit to overlook that. Had you addressed you comment to both parties, I think that both would have agreed and heeded you advice. But you didn't do that, did you?

108 posted on 05/12/2003 8:42:30 AM PDT by Consort
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To: David Isaac
How does a neo-conservative differ from a moderate Republican, seriously?

Seriously, they are more big-government-solution, centralized-power, and globalist than moderates.

109 posted on 05/12/2003 8:42:58 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: sheltonmac; Poohbah; dighton; Chancellor Palpatine
I, for one, didn't realize just how bad paleos were until Frum made the case against them with their OWN WORDS. Their OWN WORDS show just how rotten they are. And yes, I hope you paleos find things get worse.

Why the flinching from the sunshine that Frum has cast upon paleos? Why the anger? Why the fear? Why the aspersions against Frum? Did he get too close to the truth?
110 posted on 05/12/2003 8:46:46 AM PDT by hchutch (America came, America saw, America liberated; as for those who hate us, Oderint dum Metuant)
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To: rdb3
And the beat goes on. There's a "neo-con" under every bed in America.

Hardly, but there's one on every editorial page.

111 posted on 05/12/2003 8:48:05 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Poohbah
Read a little closer....I mentioned that certain laws should be constitutional in nature, you know passed by a legislature that is duly elected to implement laws regulating such activities as you mentioned. I oppose UN-elected bureaucrats creating codes, reg's, etc. that are NOT constitutional and are nothing more than revenue producing instruments for their particular entity.
112 posted on 05/12/2003 8:49:37 AM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: american spirit
I oppose UN-elected bureaucrats creating codes, reg's, etc. that are NOT constitutional and are nothing more than revenue producing instruments for their particular entity.

I hate to tell you this...but those "unelected bureaucrats" are, in damn near every case, making regulations pursuant to laws passed by the duly constituted legislature.

113 posted on 05/12/2003 8:53:29 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: sheltonmac
Anything that goes against the Constitution is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

Not if it's on the books as a law. I'm against abortion, but, unfortunately, it's not unconstitutional even though I think it is. It is being practiced, it is protected, it is being enforced, and it is lawful — until it is repealed or declared unconstitutional — just like I said in my the statement that you totally disagree with.

114 posted on 05/12/2003 8:53:30 AM PDT by Consort
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To: american spirit
I oppose UN-elected bureaucrats creating codes, reg's, etc. that are NOT constitutional and are nothing more than revenue producing instruments for their particular entity

True conservatives should also oppose American-elected bureaucrats creating codes, reg's, etc. that are NOT constitutional and are nothing more than revenue producing instruments for their particular entity.

115 posted on 05/12/2003 8:54:20 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
Try disobeying one of those "UNCONSTITUTIONAL" laws and see where it gets you.
117 posted on 05/12/2003 8:56:06 AM PDT by Consort
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To: sheltonmac
It's a good thing our founding fathers didn't share your unique view of liberty.

Neo-cons are the Sheeple's right-wing.

118 posted on 05/12/2003 8:56:16 AM PDT by iconoclast (I repeat, neo-cons are the Sheeple's right-wing.)
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To: Ohioan
Your #45 was excellent for the purpose of providing perspective.

Anyone who wants to involve themselves in this neverending neo vs. paleo p*ssing contest should be forced to read it.

It'd only improve the quality of the debate & weed out the name callers.

119 posted on 05/12/2003 8:57:32 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: B. A. Conservative
Knock off the secession talk.
120 posted on 05/12/2003 9:00:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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