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Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Covenant News ^ | April 12, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:29 AM PDT by MatthewViti

During the eight years of Clinton's presidency, I was repeatedly asked, "Chuck, do you think Bill Clinton is the antichrist?" (Of course, I answered no.) Therefore, it is more than interesting to me that since G.W. Bush became president no one has asked if I thought he was the antichrist. Not one single person! Instead, many people attribute to Bush god-like qualities, which actually makes him a better candidate than Clinton was.

You see, one of the chief characteristics of the coming antichrist is that he appears "as an angel of light." Therefore, an obvious reprobate such as Bill Clinton is immediately disqualified. The antichrist, by very definition, is a master deceiver. He must be someone who appears as good and benevolent. The bite is in his tail not in his tongue. In reality, Bush's angelic persona makes him much more dangerous than bad boy Billy.

For example, while Clinton was in the process of appointing numerous homosexual activists to his administration, copious letters from Christian leaders such as Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and D. James Kennedy flooded America's Christian community. Appeals for protest and resistance were heard from pulpits throughout the country. A massive media campaign began against Clinton.

Today, however, President Bush is in the process of copying Clinton's numerous appointments of open homosexuals to high positions of government, but there are no letters, no warnings from pulpits, and no media campaigns opposing it. Just the opposite. Bush is being defended, lauded, and glorified for everything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or unscriptural it might be.

When Clinton only talked of legalizing embryonic stem cell research, he was castigated and condemned. Bush actually made the procedure legal, and yet, he was praised and honored. Clinton was denigrated when he tried to convince Israel to give up land for peace. Now, Bush is in the process of actually trying to create an independent Palestinian state for Israel's enemies (with Jerusalem as its capital, no less), yet continues to receive glowing adulation. If Clinton even suggested that America's immigration laws might need to be liberalized, he was denounced in the harshest terms; but Bush can actually grant limited amnesty to thousands of illegal aliens, and there is not the faintest whisper of protest.

Do you recall how Clinton was criticized for the "low lifes" he invited to the White House? Well, Bush recently invited wild man rocker, Ozzie Osbourne, to the White House. Have you heard any notable Christian leader take Bush to task for that?

You remember Ozzie Osbourne, don't you? He is the former front man for the heavy metal band, Black Sabbath. He is famous for stage antics such as biting the heads off birds and bats. His abuse of drugs and alcohol are also well known. Furthermore, Ozzie Osbourne desecrated The Alamo by pissing all over it. In spite of this, George W. Bush is said to be one of Osbourne's biggest fans. As such, Osbourne was recently invited to the White House for dinner. Have you heard any criticism of Bush for this?

Obviously, I do not believe President Bush is the antichrist any more than I believed Bill Clinton was. However, I do believe that Bush possesses more deceptive qualities than Clinton did and, therefore, is more dangerous. I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived. Bush' s acceptance by the overwhelming majority of Christian people proves the country is ready for the antichrist, whoever he is.


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To: cynicom
Clinton Predicts. :-o

common civility.. Ha!

Hitler let the Jews take showers before he gassed them.

You and a couple of your ohorts are sad excuses of a symptom with no cure. You usurp the FReedoms of others to spew your diatribe, imo...

Oh gosh, is that uncivil saying that?

201 posted on 05/03/2003 11:19:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: widowithfoursons
Am I missing something? "The Heavenly Ether Reserve?" Can you help me out with this one?

God has absolute power... it was just a silly post.

202 posted on 05/03/2003 11:19:01 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Lucas McCain
"The totality of the Bible's teaching on antichrist or antichrists if found in the following four verses:


Absoutely not true!

The big daddy antichrist is not a "flesh being", reason so many will be decieved.

"antichrist" means play actor, instead of christ, you know one claiming to be Christ, can perform miracles, "PEACE", "PEACE", "PEACE", has many names, dragon, serpent, destroyer, accuser, etc........
203 posted on 05/03/2003 11:19:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: realpatriot71
"he makes some good points in that the exact same people who balked when Clinton tried some of the same actions that Bush is not taking, are "lapping it up" and telling everyone how "tasty" it is because Bush happens to have an (R) after his name"....huh????????does this statement intend to make any sense? Gee and I am out of Reynolds Wrap....LOL
204 posted on 05/03/2003 11:19:55 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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ohorts=cohorts
205 posted on 05/03/2003 11:21:34 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: Howlin
From the Times article Nov 2002
The Bush administration wants to grant amnesty to hundreds of thousands of Mexican illegal aliens now in the United States, according to the new U.S. ambassador to Mexico. T

ony Garza, sworn in this week at the White House, told reporters in Mexico City that reaching an accord legalizing the status of Mexican immigrants — without giving them citizenship — continues to be a top administration priority.

It doesn't say it was a Democrat push, it states clearly Bush wants it. The first one didn't get through the Senate, and I know you're just going to loooovee this because

Bush won't get bill giving aliens amnesty


By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Senate Democrats yesterday postponed action on an amnesty measure for illegal immigrants, denying President Bush a chance to announce the accomplishment during his trip to Mexico this week.

Face it, the POTUS has stated, through administration sources, he wants to give a form of amnesty to illegal aliens

206 posted on 05/03/2003 11:21:51 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: cynicom
How was that personal? You were the one who said James Brown had been invited to the White House. Your exact words. Then later you said "invited to perform". There's a big old difference there.

You were the one using the invitation as an example of something we should all be outraged about; how can I get outraged over it if you don't even bother to prove it's happening, let alone that it's anything at all to be concerned about?

Far too many people here do not understand common civility

Looks like you're one of them. It's not exactly civil to complain of incivility when anyone dares to try to pin you down on something that YOU posted in your own choice of words.

207 posted on 05/03/2003 11:22:09 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
People are allowed to bring guests. That's how Al Franken got in this year. >:@

Uh-oh, now you've done it. Now we're going to have 100 or so posts about how the dastardly President Bush has invited Al Franken to the White House. :-P

208 posted on 05/03/2003 11:22:16 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: cynicom
All...

I have to admit, there are many partisan republicans on FR, and few Conservative Americans.

209 posted on 05/03/2003 11:23:46 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: cynicom
Jack..Was Ozzie approved by Bush people to be allowed in to the dinner???

This is a White House Correspondents Association function. Members of the association make the invitations. The only White House people screening attendance at the dinner is the Secret Service. The only people that would not be allowed is someone who represents a physical threat to the President.

Was Ozzie approved. He was there wasnt he? But so was Al Franken, a bunch of Democrat big whigs, a bunch of Hollywood types (I see to recall Alec Baldwin). Well over a thousand individuals attend this dinner. Im sure they all went through a metal detector as well. So whats your point? If the President attends Yankee Stadium for the season opener, he's responsible for everyone who attends?

210 posted on 05/03/2003 11:23:54 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Gee Dave, I don't know. I guess I was learning about all the laws passed by the national government that so far overstep the bounds of the Constitution that it doesn't matter anymore. I know the President doesn't grant the amnesty, but he makes his wishes known through bills introduced by the administration. Did you see it was a top administration priority? Or do you even care?
211 posted on 05/03/2003 11:24:19 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
bill, he hasn't done it, and from what we're hearing from Fox in Mexico, HE doesn't think he's going to get it.
212 posted on 05/03/2003 11:24:38 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: cynicom
I recall these same people here on FR, decrying everything clinton did or said. They were correct, however, it does show blind partisanship when they find absolutely nothing wrong with Bush. Bush is just another human, putting him into a cult of personality is dangerous.

Do you really see moral equvilence between Clinton and Bush? Do you understand that the reason that President Bush doesn't receive the same amount of critism that Clinton received by many here is because Clinton is not in the same league as President Bush?

213 posted on 05/03/2003 11:25:43 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: At a Later Date
I was too snippy in my reply.......I apologize. I knew what you meant, but was WAY tired of repeating myself down the thread.
214 posted on 05/03/2003 11:25:43 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: wolf24
Carrottop is the anti-christ.

Nah, the AC is named Ted, and he's been crashed out on my couch for the last three months. He won't get a job, refuses to help clean the apartment, and eats all my food, going on and on about "world domination" - blah, blah, blah. He plays a lot of video games.

215 posted on 05/03/2003 11:26:13 AM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: MatthewViti; the_doc
"what said in the article is false? please enlighten me."

Here's *for starters*:

Baldwin: "I also now understand more clearly how even "the elect" can be deceived."

He "understands" that the elect "can be deceived" by anti-christ mentalities? Did he miss the words, "if possible" in the text? [Matt.24:24]

216 posted on 05/03/2003 11:26:23 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Militant Islam are a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: alnick; sauropod
I was hoodwinked, I tell ya! I came all the way from New York to freep the White House Correspondents Dinner, so just imagine my chagrin when I discovered I wasn't even within eye-straining distance of the White House....man, what a gyp!
217 posted on 05/03/2003 11:26:23 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (The Marriott is hideously ugly too :()
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To: Howlin
Howlin, the fact to me is that he even suggested it. The issue with Fox is that he wants even more than Bush. Fox, from my understanding, almost wants Mexico treated as a state in the aspect that Mexicans would freely be able to cross the border. Bush won't go that far, but for a 'conservative', he's gone too far in suggesting even what he did
218 posted on 05/03/2003 11:27:33 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Calpublican
My understanding that for those who believe in the anti-Christ prophecy (and I grew up with two of them), the anti-Christ is to be of jewish extraction. That made Hitler such a prospect to them as he was part jewish.

Just to clarify a couple of things for you: There isn't a single "Antichrist prophecy," but hundreds of prophecies scattered through the whole of the Bible. The assumption that he will be Jewish is based on a, IMHO, faulty interpretation of a single remark by Jesus, "I have come in My Father's name and you did not accept me. Another will come in his own name and him you will accept." The reasoning is that if the Antichrist will be accepted by the Jews, then he must therefore be Jewish.

However, numerous other prophecies in Daniel and Revelation indicate that he will be of Roman and Greek descent. Since America is the inheritor of both those cultures and happens to be the preemminent world power today, some are convinced that he'll come from here. I don't happen to be among those; the Bible discusses at length his origins and movement, and the clear indication is that he will come from the Eurasian continent.

Sorry for the lack of citations, but I'm running this off the top of my head. If you're curious and want to know more, email or freepmail me. If you're not, I won't be offended. ;^)

219 posted on 05/03/2003 11:28:25 AM PDT by Buggman (Stephen King has forgotten the face of his Father)
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To: Dave S
Wasn't Paula Jones brought the the WH Correspondent's dinner, in years past?

And about Ozzy being there, Bush acknowledged a popular member of the American public, that the whole country was in a buzz about. To me, this showed that Bush knew of Ozzy's popularity, and even was amused that Ozzy was at the dinner. The irony of Bush and Ozzy together at the same function, is humorous. Bush gets the joke.
220 posted on 05/03/2003 11:29:21 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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