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To: thepitts
The question becomes: Who is it that must go elsewhere?

You and I both need air to breathe. Clean air, as free as possible from contaminants.

Neither of us need air tainted with the poisons derived from burning dried tobacco. NEITHER OF US.

You CHOOSE to smoke, I do not. You CHOOSE to take into your body that which is detrimental, to you and to me, to both of us. That is a right that I will defend, as it happens.

However, now you are insisting that you have the right to carry on with your craziness, even if it encumbers other people. In other words, you think it is perfectly reasonable to inflict ME with YOUR problems.

That is NOT reasonable, however, not even a little bit.

Years ago, a slight majority of people smoked, and those who didn't smoke were willing to put up with those who did. Then, things changed. People became more aware of how harmful it was. Soon, only a minority of people smoked. Soon after that, people began to demand that they do so only outside the workplace. That was eventually the norm.

Now, even fewer people smoke, and those who do NOT smoke are more insistent of their rights to breathe uncontaminated air.

You who smoke, since you are addictive types anyway, and have shown you have little concern over the long-term ramifications of your personal choices, are predictably attempting to turn your nasty habit into a sacred right that you MAY inflict on others.

So you say "go somewhere else!"

Well, we too are insisting that YOU go elsewhere, but in our case we have the FACT of our mutual need for clean air to breathe. You need it, we need it.

Our MUTUAL need trumps your personal WANTS in this case. Ergo, you do NOT have the right to do as you please because it discomfits others.

Your argument is totally feckless, and without merit, and the mounting number of cities who are banning smoking in places of public accomodation is evidence of this. You have a voice, same as we do. Your arguments are being overcome by ours.

Your "rights" stop where they impede those of others.

141 posted on 03/02/2003 6:54:31 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Years ago, a slight majority of people smoked, and those who didn't smoke were willing to put up with those who did. Then, things changed. People became more aware of how harmful it was. Soon, only a minority of people smoked. Soon after that, people began to demand that they do so only outside the workplace. That was eventually the norm.

Kind of a liberal view, majority rule.

153 posted on 03/02/2003 7:13:19 PM PST by thepitts
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To: Illbay
That is NOT reasonable, however, not even a little bit.

You are not reasonable, not even a little bit.

Now, even fewer people smoke, and those who do NOT smoke are more insistent of their rights to breathe uncontaminated air.

uncontaminated air

You've got to be kidding???? Find me some uncontaminated airand I might start taking some of your ravings seriously.

Your argument is totally feckless, and without merit, and the mounting number of cities who are banning smoking in places of public accomodation is evidence of this.

Actually you are the one that is wrong. As a "conservative" you should be extremely concerned about these smoking bans.

I've got no problem with folks in a jurisdiction getting together to enact something they wish for. I have a MAJOR MAJOR problem with outsiders coming in with lots of money and swaying the locals.

And that is exactly what is happening here in Delaware. Through one of the anti smoker web sites over 550 faxes were sent to the governor, legislators and the media in Delaware in the past few days in an effort to stop legislation designed to roll back parts of the smoking ban. The last time I looked at the numbers there were only 35 people who actually live in Delaware.

What's even more interesting is that all letters submitted through the website are posted on the website - the 3 letters from Delaware residents in opposition to the ban have all been deleted.

219 posted on 03/02/2003 8:56:52 PM PST by Gabz (anti-smokers speak with forked tongue.)
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To: Illbay
Well, we too are insisting that YOU go elsewhere

The trouble with you smoking nazis is that when we do go elsewhere, you show up! There are now jobs that won't hire smokers...why? They're trying to ban smoking OUTSIDE...why? They're trying to ban you from smoking in your own home...why? It isn't about smoking obviously. It's about fascism. You people never quit. You won't be happy until you've made us all stop...then what will you do? Who will you abuse next? You call yourself a Conservative but you obviously aren't. You only believe in freedom if everyone is exactly like you. That is the problem. And that is what is destroying this country.
421 posted on 03/05/2003 1:07:48 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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